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He may have been??? but dog B was placed on the paper as being on A's tree. If it's not obvious, that is where dog B stays unless you know otherwise. I don't make the rules! See my previous post on UKC's ruling.

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Yeah you had the answer right. I was just wanting to see if barker Creek could make a simple rule scoring hard again. rofl

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With A

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Dog c was treed on paper with a also

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Dog c was treed on paper with a also

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Yep --- but once you arrived at the tree, you noticed that he was not on the "root" tree that A & B established. I can give you reasons why and you can give me reasons why not all day long, but only UKC can expalin why they chose to score it this way. And I believe they said this would be a consistent way. Maybe not fair in all cases, but consistent.

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dog A left -125
Dog B & C are split both tree in at 125

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How do you know Dog B was not the dog split and Dog C came in finally covered Dog A before that dog left?

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Dogs are only split ten yards apart? Are we checking to see if they are all under one canopy and scored together or separate?

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How do you know Dog B was not the dog split and Dog C came in finally covered Dog A before that dog left?

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by nccoonhunter197
Read all of the posts on this thread and you will see the same question you just asked has been answered several times. The "root tree" is the main point. Is it correct? Maybe not but it is a consistent way of scoring in these situations. Being under the same canopy doesn't mean anything either, do the trees touch with a viable crossing point is what you look for. This time of the year the whole forest is basically under one canopy but that does not mean all of the trees touch. [/QUO Another way that is just as consistent and, in my opinion, much more fair to every dog in the cast is to just say ANYTIME THE FIRST DOG TREED LEAVES..... all the other dogs stay put on the card.
It is impossible to know what tree was left or which dog was split. So just minus the dog that leaves and score the rest where they went on the card. Fairest way for every dog.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by nccoonhunter197
Read all of the posts on this thread and you will see the same question you just asked has been answered several times. The "root tree" is the main point. Is it correct? Maybe not but it is a consistent way of scoring in these situations. Being under the same canopy doesn't mean anything either, do the trees touch with a viable crossing point is what you look for. This time of the year the whole forest is basically under one canopy but that does not mean all of the trees touch. [/QUO Another way that is just as consistent and, in my opinion, much more fair to every dog in the cast is to just say ANYTIME THE FIRST DOG TREED LEAVES..... all the other dogs stay put on the card.
It is impossible to know what tree was left or which dog was split. So just minus the dog that leaves and score the rest where they went on the card. Fairest way for every dog.

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Anytime you start using terms like "root tree" to interpret a rule, you have purty much screwed tha pooch.

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the best i think would be split 1st and 2nd between the 2

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Jim, I believe that is basically what ukc is saying, but I believe the best thing would be to move all dogs up. It is not possible to know which dog treed with A.

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Originally posted by JiM Another way that is just as consistent and, in my opinion, much more fair to every dog in the cast is to just say ANYTIME THE FIRST DOG TREED LEAVES..... all the other dogs stay put on the card.
It is impossible to know what tree was left or which dog was split. So just minus the dog that leaves and score the rest where they went on the card. Fairest way for every dog. [/B]

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Jim, I agree with you but according to UKC's rules scoring anyother way is wrong. You are always going to have those who want to argue with any way you score a situation like this. So we go by the rules or not hunt. I am sure this is one of the most screwed up rules used and applied in the nite hunts.

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"In my opinion" I would like to see the split tree rule written something like this:

In cases where all dogs are treed, all dogs will be scored in the order in which they were treed, to include an obvious split tree. In the event that a dog moves no dogs will be moved up on that particular tree, minus any dog(s) that are not showing treed. The only way that a dog moves up is if it is on an obvious split tree and treed as such or in cases where its not obvious until the judges arrival; the dog that is found to be split treed score with 125 (+-) or circle.

In cases of two or more dogs treed together and it is not clear which order the dogs were treed split tree points in accordance with the rules on the scorecard.

Give the lone dog the benefit of the doubt.

Bc we will never truly know which tree the dog that moved left. This seems to be fair. No need to move dogs up bc if a dog treed in for 1st and moved the dog is already being penalized (125-) and not to mention that position has already been used. In reality that dog did tree first but didn't hold his/her tree. Score em in order.

Bottom line score the dogs in the order that they are treed (+-) or circle accordingly and give credit/benefit of the doubt to the dog that is split (+-) or circle accordingly.

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