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Actually Steve, there are no such rules in place.
There is no rule that minuses a dog for striking a track other than coon. ( Don't make me laugh with another reference to the running off game rule) The babbling rule specifically states that dog will be minused for striking where there is no track....., NO TRACK, the point being that ANY track will do, coon, possum, skunk or squirrel, just as long as the judge believes the dog struck some kind of track, their strike is good. Open on ANYTHING that lays a track and do it as quickly as possible, the first tool in building the next big winner.

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Personally I think babbling and automatic strike dogs are 2 different things. The babbler just barks several times on turn loose then hushes. The auto dog gets struck on whatever and never hushes. Pretty hard to minus one. Id look at the Akc strike rule myself. You bark in the min and through it. Unless struck and treed together you can't strike. After the min. All dogs barking as min is up go in for 50 others 25 I think is how it goes. If it don't. That's how it should go lol.

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If every one strikes for 25 then it will go from auto strike to silent

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I'm lost on how the tight mouth dog has an advantage. Other then the other dogs don't have much time to get there and cover. I still don't know why to bother with strike points. the only thing we know is that the dog is barking. We don't know why but we go ahead and give a 100 points for simply barking first. Never made any sense to me. If you need to minus dogs for quitting a track then give each one fifty but how a dog gets a point advantage for simply BARKING is beyond me.

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Originally posted by Vic Stoll
Another chip off the broken record, another piece from the horse that has been beat to pieces!

Without failure, every example given to justify every one of these threads always have the "coon treer" getting a last strike, & ole me too getting first strike & second tree. I just don't think it happens this way every time. Good Lord forbid that hound may get a least a third strike combined with that first tree. Then the ole 175+ me too theory winning goes out the window.

Reading all these threads leads me to this question, is there such a hound as a "BALANCED" hound anymore? Is anyone breeding for good strike dogs that are quick tree dogs? I'm not talking about the ones that leave barking & never shut up till they tree, I'm talking just a good quick strike dog.

If more folks were honest with themselves about what is on the end of their lead, they would quit placing the tag of "honest strike dog" on a hound that is semi-silent. If your hound is short on getting its mouth open, admit it & take your medicine. If it is just too bitter of a pill to swallow, maybe change what is on the end of that lead strap.

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I'm lost on how the tight mouth dog has an advantage. Other then the other dogs don't have much time to get there and cover. I still don't know why to bother with strike points. the only thing we know is that the dog is barking. We don't know why but we go ahead and give a 100 points for simply barking first. Never made any sense to me. If you need to minus dogs for quitting a track then give each one fifty but how a dog gets a point advantage for simply BARKING is beyond me.

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Vic you are dead on there is nothing wrong with the rules the problem is with the hound and the breeders not keeping a coon dog their goal. I am tired of hearing people whine about getting beat by a babbling dog when the bigger problem is silent or tight mouth dogs. Y'all bred the tree monsters now you deal with it but changing the rules ain't the answer. A coon hound is supposed to be an open trailer not a tight mouth cur.

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Personally I think babbling and automatic strike dogs are 2 different things. The babbler just barks several times on turn loose then hushes. The auto dog gets struck on whatever and never hushes. Pretty hard to minus one. Id look at the Akc strike rule myself. You bark in the min and through it. Unless struck and treed together you can't strike. After the min. All dogs barking as min is up go in for 50 others 25 I think is how it goes. If it don't. That's how it should go lol.

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that's what I liked about akc rules. I wish ukc would adopt that rule plus the tree count down.

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Originally posted by JiM
Actually Steve, there are no such rules in place.
There is no rule that minuses a dog for striking a track other than coon. ( Don't make me laugh with another reference to the running off game rule) The babbling rule specifically states that dog will be minused for striking where there is no track....., NO TRACK, the point being that ANY track will do, coon, possum, skunk or squirrel, just as long as the judge believes the dog struck some kind of track, their strike is good. Open on ANYTHING that lays a track and do it as quickly as possible, the first tool in building the next big winner.

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sounds like you are enjoying the advantages of a good strike dog Vic something I had with pearl a dog I won 4000 k in 2010 with that was automatic I had an unfair advantage just because she false barked on the cut but made it sound just like trailing I had first strike whenever I needed and it put me in the driver seat especially on a one hour cast slick handlers like me would have a tougher time gaining unfair advantage if everyone struck for 25 trust me on this one

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AKC rules are so good that nobody shows up to their hunts, yea that's what should be copied.....

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Ya know the rules before you go hunt. If ya don't like it stay home. That's like a baseball player thats always striking out trying to change the rules of pitching so he can get a hit.

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Originally posted by K. Singletary
AKC rules are so good that nobody shows up to their hunts, yea that's what should be copied.....

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Why wouldn't someone want to have a BALANCED hound to enter if you want to run some hunts? I don't see it as an advantage, more as a choice. I have owned/own them both ways. They are what they are, I don't know why it is so hard for some folks to be honest with themselves on what thier hounds strong & weak points are. I know one thing, the majority of the "coon treeing" dogs I have been around sure didn't get last strike all the time like this thread makes them out to.

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If my dog and your dog split up and both have a coon there is no good reason to give me more points because mine false barks on the cut and makes it look like its trailing these two dogs should be even and cut back loose to determine the correct cast winner

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Has nothing to do with their rules. Well besides the ones hunting those QUICK strike dogs. They sure don't like em. Why should they. They can hunt Ukc or pkc where anything goes on strike points.

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I guess that's right. Never thought of that but no difference than one cast hunting feeders and another not Can't always be plum fair.

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It's a big difference, 1 cast can score 225 on 1 coon while the auto strike cast can get a max of 175 on 1 coon. Each cast treed one coon but one cast had 50 less points available, that sucks when hunting for placements.

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Here you hunt feeders you tree 2 or 3. That's possibly 600 or more points. No feeders maybe a coon. That's maybe 225 points. How's that any different? You don't think hunting feeders sucks when hunting for placements?

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Here you hunt feeders you tree 2 or 3. That's possibly 600 or more points. No feeders maybe a coon. That's maybe 225 points. How's that any different? You don't think hunting feeders sucks when hunting for placements?

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