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Have to give credit where credit is due, James shot well last night and played well. Congrats Heat

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true dat. im glad the heat, i like to see greatness, and watching lebron get his 2nd title and back to back mvps, we witnessed greatness last night. he basically cemented his legacy as one of if not the greatest players in nba history last night unless somethign drastically goes wrong over the remainder of his career. now has the rings to go with the talent

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Basketball fans will debate wheather Micheal was better than Lebron, and vice-versa, and I will say someone down the road will start being compared to both of these guys. I'm not a big Heat fan at all, but I admire LBJ's ability on the court! He also had to defend Tony Parker, and he absolutely took him out of the game. That's not an easy task for a 6'8' guy, guarding a super quick 6'2' point guard!

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The NBA markets a product; and it's not basketball, I t's ENTERTAINMENT!!! How can THE NBA survive in TODAYS MARKETPLACE without HERO'S?? Years ago it was THE CELTICS. Then Showtime in LOS ANGELES with MAGIC JOHNSON. Then came MICHAEL JORDAN and DA' BULLS in Chicago. Now it's MIAMI with THE HEAT. Next it'll be WHERE EVER THE NBA wants to MARKET THEIR PRODUCT of PREYING on THE YOUTH OF TODAY. Do you Remember a PAIR OF AIR JORDANS, The price they demanded?? HAVE YOU EVER went to a GAME?? THEY ARE ON THE VERGE OF PRICING THEIRSELVES OUT THE MARKET. The Bottom Line is Just Like The WWF, It'll Bear Whatever People's Willing To Pay. But to me, I'd just as soon Watch Lonesome Dove, Because After All, IT'S ENTERTAIMENT!!!

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WELL WHATEVER U WANT TO CALL IT,I STILL LIKE TO WATCH IT IF THERE WERE NOT PLAYERS WHO STEPPED UP AND MADE THE WINNING SHOTS WHEN NEEDED OR TOOK OVER THE GAME TO WIN WHEN OTHERS WERE NOT HAVING A GOOD GAME IT WOULD BE A BORING SPORT,THIS GOES FOR ANY KINDA SPORT,NBA OR COLLEGE ETC....

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Like I've said before, The NBA will make HERO'S out of whoever they choose!! IMO, The Heat ought to KISS SHANE BATTIER, without his THREE POINT SHOOTING, LBJ would be CRYING like before!! Wade looks washed up, Bosh was a Non Factor. But, IT'S NOT BASKETBALL WHEN YOU PUSH, SHOVE, PALM THE BALL, LET A VETERAN GET AWAY WITH MOGGING A PLAYER, but call a touch foul on a ROOKIE. Maybe if they would apply the rules to ALL PLAYERS, They might get some CREDIBILITY!!

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Refs did not decide the games.popovich cost the spurs the title having Duncan sit on the bench and watch Miami get two offensive rebounds and then sits tony Parker on the bench and runs the offense through genobli.

James played great for about 4 or 5 quarters the whole series.

He is a great player but he is not MJ

They dared him to shoot the ball and him being the best player he was due to have a good shooting game

Lebron is more of a magic Johnson than a MJ I believe in the way they play the game.lebron would rather pass and find people where as MJ would looking to always score first and pass only if a guy was wide open

If not for his gambling problem MJ WOULD HAVE won 8 straight titles

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There is no question MJ is the greatest player of all time. Yes he had Pippen but he never had a loaded team like LeBron. Jordon and Pippen were together for years. LeBron had to join 2 other super stars to get his titles. Wade did it with Shaq. I personally think wade looks washed up because hes tired of all the hoopla about james. the heat was Wades team and now everyone is turning it in to LeBrons team. If LeBron is so great (yes he is a good player)why does he need so many other great players to win his championships. But like was said before if it wasn't for battier in one game and miller in another along with allen hitting all those threes james would only have one title. LeBron was no finals MVP but hes all the hype so they have to give it to him.
If any other player in the league reacts to foul calls like the heat players do they get T'd up but the league wanted the heat to win so they have the refs ignore stuff. They wine about everything that's called and honestly its getting ridiculous that the refs don't do something. JMO

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by oscar
[B]There is no question MJ is the greatest player of all time. Yes he had Pippen but he never had a loaded team like LeBron. Jordon and Pippen were together for years. LeBron had to join 2 other super stars to get his titles. Wade did it with Shaq. I personally think wade looks washed up because hes tired of all the hoopla about james. the heat was Wades team and now everyone is turning it in to LeBrons team. If LeBron is so great (yes he is a good player)why does he need so many other great players to win his championships.

Hey Oscar, don't let the facts get in the way of your opinion! If you're saying those Jordan teams weren't loaded, then you don't know basketball. Scotty Pippen 2nd team all NBA, Dennis Rodman led the league in rebounds, they had the sixth man of the year, and the best Euro player in Tony Kukoc! Not to mention Phil Jackson as their head coach! Not sure which game it was, when the Bulls closed out either the Jazz or the Supersonics, Jordans stats read like this, 45 pts, 1 assist, 1 rebound! By the way, he took 35 shots to get those points! At least you admit LBJ is a good player! That Cleveland team he led to the championship game was some awesome team, only thing is, when James went to Miami, that same team, ended up with the worst record in the NBA!

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and what about the push off jordan had on that last ganme winning shot versus the jazz

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Too many Space Jam lovers to ever criticize MJ! I have never said Jordan wasn't a great, great player, but I still like Lebrons stats at the same age as Micheals. James is also bigger, faster, and stronger than Jordan. I would say about 75% of basketball fans say Jordan is the best ever, and the other 25% are saying James, Jabbar, Magic, or even the Big O! I'm picking LBJ. JMO

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mj was 30-40 lbs lighter and 3-4" shorter than lebron.
jordan was a true guard.lebron is athletic power forward playing guard position!
jordan played with "finese".lebron plays with power and uses his size.

jordan was not on a loaded team like lebron!
their stats are close to the same.neither shoots the lights out every night on the floor!!
there are higher shooting % in the nba than the both of them.

jmo;like them both but both are/were ball hogs.with the studs that lebron has around him.they should dominate more than mj's bull's

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honestly, i would take ron harper and bj armstrong over chalmers.

pippen is an all time 50 greatest.

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i forgot about bj!

pippen looked better with mj on floor.
mj would have the other teams better defender and draw dbl. teams. that would open it up for pippen.
when mj was gone pippen was average.then he drew the better defender and dbl. teams.

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he's wayy over rated.
i like to see heat trade him for laker's dwight howard!!
bosh looks horrible against a true "big man"
hibbard and duncan scored at will on him.but bosh couldn't score on them.

i just think the heat are better in talent than what jordan had to play with.
jordan had to score 40+ and up to 60 points for the bulls to win.when he bad nights,the bulls lost.lebron can have a off night and the heat can still win.

*would like to see the late `80's lakers,late`90's bulls,and todays heat go at.*

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bosh averaged 17 points, 7 rebounds this season, those type players dont grow on trees.

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I don't see how anyone can knock wade. Wade was far more productive then Lebronin the finals. Does anyone remember the Dwayne Wade that won a championship without bosh or Lebron. Wade is a star player with or without Lebron. Lebron is more talented but I don't think there's any way the heat would have won it without Wade. I'm a Wade fan but absolutely can't stand Lebron. The most talented crybaby the NBA has seen. If he acted like an adult and focused on playing instead of flopping he'd be light years ahead of Jordan.

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dont forget wade had the diesel

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Do any of you guys actually think the heat would have even made it to the finals with out Wade? I'm not denying that lebron is the best player in the league. Wade is more productive tho.

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MJ had rodman in his later years, yes he could rebound but had no offense. Kukoc was average at best look what he did when he went to the 76ers nothing. If your going to bring up Phil Jackson might want to look at what LeBron has with Pat Riley in his corner he was one of the best coaches (how many championships did he win with the lakers ) Im sure he puts his two cents in when needed. Like I said before MJ stayed with his team and they built a team around him and won championships. LeBron gave up on the cavs during games. Then left to join the heat which was basicly built around Wade. wade already proved he could win with one other superstar in the Diesel but LeBron had to join two guys to win. In my opinion if LeBron had stayed and gotten one other big gun to play with and be able to win championships then he would have a better shot at being the best player ever but jumping ship to join the other superstars don't make him the best ever. Like I said before he is a great player but not the best ever. MJ has that crown.

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OK, for you MJ fans! For his best scoring year MJ averaged 37 pts. per game. He shot 48% from the field, and shot 18% from the 3. This year, James averaged 27 pts per game, shot 56% from the field, and 40% from the 3! He also averaged 8 assists and 7 rebounds per game!
Magic over MJ and James, now I'm LMAO! Lebron does everything Magic did, except way faster! Magic was one of the worst shooters in the NBA. He was a great point guard, and was unbelievable at seeing the floor! I think he was one of the greats!
Rodman was a rebounding machine, so MJ wouldn't have to get in there and bang. Tell me anyone that the Dream team could not shut down? If memory serves me correctly, wasn't Kukoc only about 20 years old at the Olympics! Whoever says Chris Bosh is a great player, in my opinion, you don't know the game, and Dwayne Wade played hurt for at least 1/3 of the season, including the playoffs. Both he and Bosh were being ripped by the talking heads about how bad they played in the post season!

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I'll just say this. In 6 finals appearances Jordan's team never lost and never had to play in a game 7. Jordan was finals MVP all 6 times he played in the finals. More than likely would have won 8 straight championships if he had not retired and played baseball. Lebron is a great player, but he and his team isn't dominating the game like Jordan and the Bulls did.

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I never said anything bad about Wade. IMO he is one of the best. Having said that the heat is wades team but now everyone is turning it into LeBrons team. Remember LeBron came to the heat so he could win a championship as he couldn't do it on his own team. When Shaq came to the heat he said it several times this is wades team he didn't take all the credit for winning. Like someone said before if it wasn't for wade,allen and miller LeBron wouldn't have gotten a second ring. You can make all the excuses you want for LeBron but he came to a team with superstar on it so he could win MJ was with the bulls through it all the good years and the bad and didn't jump ship just so he could win. He made them winners.

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I'll just say this. In 6 finals appearances Jordan's team never lost and never had to play in a game 7. Jordan was finals MVP all 6 times he played in the finals. More than likely would have won 8 straight championships if he had not retired and played baseball. Lebron is a great player, but he and his team isn't dominating the game like Jordan and the Bulls did.

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