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I love the HTX's it gives you a chance to hunt your dogs with a reward at the end!!! A chance to say my dog did it alone!!! Our old dog, hadn't never been comp hunted until last year, he got his HTX FIRST at 9 yrs old!!! Then went on to Show Ch, and now NITE CH at 10 yrs old!!! NOT to bad uh? But also, great benefit for young dogs also, that need to been hunted by there self's..... Give's them a chance to shine also!

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I love the HTX's it gives you a chance to hunt your dogs with a reward at the end!!! A chance to say my dog did it alone!!! Our old dog, hadn't never been comp hunted until last year, he got his HTX FIRST!!! Then went on to Show Ch, and now NITE CH at 9 yrs old!!! NOT to bad uh? But also, great benefit for young dogs also, that need to been hunted by there self's..... Give's them a chance to shine also!

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I'm a full supporter of the HTX program. Been on numerous ones as both inspector and hunter/handler. I think they're a step in the right direction towards actually seeing if a hound is a coon dog. In a HTX there's no excuses or gray area. I'm a firm believer in the harder we judge our hounds the better they'll eventually become. I don't we'll ever see ukc require a HTX title in order to enter a nite hunt. Mainly because of money & people swapping KC's. As of now the only KC that requires something similar is the ACHA. And that's only at their world hunt. They require each hound to go out by itself and tree a coon before it advances. I like that because it weeds out babbling, slick, me too dogs. If you have a good hound you have nothing to fear.
I think they should change a few things on the HTX however. Stop just adding numbers at the end of the title! It's not appealing or flashy enough to get people involved. Also in stead of treeing off game being a fault it should be an scratchable offense. You tree a possum, your done, no pass!!

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I'm a full supporter of the HTX program. Been on numerous ones as both inspector and hunter/handler. I think they're a step in the right direction towards actually seeing if a hound is a coon dog. In a HTX there's no excuses or gray area. I'm a firm believer in the harder we judge our hounds the better they'll eventually become. I don't we'll ever see ukc require a HTX title in order to enter a nite hunt. Mainly because of money & people swapping KC's. As of now the only KC that requires something similar is the ACHA. And that's only at their world hunt. They require each hound to go out by itself and tree a coon before it advances. I like that because it weeds out babbling, slick, me too dogs. If you have a good hound you have nothing to fear.
I think they should change a few things on the HTX however. Stop just adding numbers at the end of the title! It's not appealing or flashy enough to get people involved. Also in stead of treeing off game being a fault it should be an scratchable offense. You tree a possum, your done, no pass!!

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Jim as far as there being a hole in a tree big enough to put a basketball or even a beach ball in ,that doesn't mean there is a coon in it. What if the dog ran a back track to the den. HTX ,if done by the RULES is tough,there are no me too dogs,no buddy helping you to score a tree,just simply the dog has to earn it.How many times have you been in a nite hunt and see every dog in the cast aquire what would be 2 faults, Yet one of them winning a cast and getting a win towards a title? Den trees aren't scored as a coon seen in any registry i know,as they should not be plused.A coon is scored if SEEN not if there is a chance its in a hole in the ground or a tree,there is just as much of a chance that it is not there.Tree happy dogs, or slick treeing idiots ,probably don't pass to many HTX test.JMO

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I had forgotten ukc also required that. I like both pleasure & competition hunting. I do wish there was something on the local level to help weed out undesirable traits. Me personally, if a HTX was required on a dog before it could be entered in a nite hunt that's what I'd do. However I'm sure it would eventually end up being a " buddy " system.

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Oh, by the way. That pup that was won at the state youth hunt last year out of jug is still doing very well. I hunted with her the other night and she's the one that got the race started and was at the tree also. The more I'm around her the more she impresses me.

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Oh, by the way. That pup that was won at the state youth hunt last year out of jug is still doing very well. I hunted with her the other night and she's the one that got the race started and was at the tree also. The more I'm around her the more she impresses me.

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I agree with ya, just really think the HTX is a major step in actually requiring a dog to be some what of a coon hound.
As far as I know that pup down here hasn't trashed at all. She's sure a good looking one to! Built really well.

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Some start a poll on this subject,i don't know how to do the polls,but bet most comp. hunters won;t want a HTX in order to NT.Ch a dog,i dont think most would pass.JMO

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Some start a poll on this subject,i don't know how to do the polls,but bet most comp. hunters won;t want a HTX in order to NT.Ch a dog,i dont think most would pass.JMO

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I really appreciate all the responses, but I still don't feel like my original question has been answered. When most coon hunters without a titled stud dog, like myself, are looking for a stud dog to breed a gyp too, naturally they look at all the titles that goes with these dogs. Most would prefer to pay to breed to a Nite Ch or Grand Nite Ch before they would pay to breed to just a PR dog. So wouldn't it make sense that it might be more appealing to breed to a Grand Nite Ch HTX over just a Grand Nite?? I would think so!! When I make a cross, I make the cross for my own personal benefit. I breed coondog to coondog with the bloodlines that I prefer in my breeding programs. However, I do not have time to train 6 or 8 pups nor do I want to, so when I breed a gyp I have to make sure the sire is attractive enough that I can sell or get read of the pups, and lets face it, pups out of Grand Nite Ch dogs sell better or are easier to get read of than pups out of PR dogs. I had an extremely hard time deciding what to breed to this last time, and the HTX title was the deciding factor for me. All the sires that I was considering were Grand Nite Ch's but the dog I decided to breed to was a Grand Nite Ch and had the HTX title. It meant something to me, it meant that he could consistently go hunting and get treed with a coon by HIS SELF and not MESS UP! Maybe I'm just weird, but if the HTX title swayed my decision to breed to a dog, then why don't more Stud Dog owners go after this title to entice people like myself to breed to their hounds??? I understand that not all local clubs have these hunts and that you may have to drive a good distance to one of these, but it could pay off for you in the long run? I have hunted for a long time, and have owned several nice hounds over the years, but have never owned one that I have offered to the public at stud. If I ever do, I will put the HTX title on him then I will finish him to Grand. I'm just not sure why more owners aren't doing this?? Maybe business is so good that they don't need the HTX title?? I'm just not sure, which is why I am asking.

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I'm with you brother,a HTX title impresses me before anything else.

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Mr Jenks, the main reason alot of hunters have passed on the HTX program is because it is nothing more than what we do every night with our regular training/pleasure hunting routines. The only real difference is that when you fail, you pick up your dog and go home. When mine fails, it gets retrained right there on the spot. But aside from that, not much difference.

As for why more breeders don't search out the HTX studs for breeding? Well, because most simply don't place any value on the HTX title. Yeah, I know......everybody on here cares more about an HTX that any counterfeit NtCh or GrNtCh title. Fine. Then why are you guys always wanting to know why nobody breeds to HTX studs?

Hunt titles have been the goal for MANY decades in this sport. The HTX has been around a couple years. It takes time to earn respect. Down the road 20 years, who knows?

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I have never hunted with a HTX dog but I have hunted with some trashy ntch and grntch dogs. Went to a hunt the other night, first drop my dog came back after a few minutes and the other 3 treed a opposum. My dog generally goes out around 500 yards and if he don't pick up anything he comes back. It was a typical comp hunt for me as in I never have been turned out on coons.

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I have never hunted with a HTX dog but I have hunted with some trashy ntch and grntch dogs. Went to a hunt the other night, first drop my dog came back after a few minutes and the other 3 treed a opposum. My dog generally goes out around 500 yards and if he don't pick up anything he comes back. It was a typical comp hunt for me as in I never have been turned out on coons.

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I would be madder at one for coming back after 500 yards than if it treed a possum.... I can break a possum dog I cant train one to hunt

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if I had a stud dog and was serious about studding him then I would htx him.

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Just depends on the terain you are hunting in. As for that night it was fine because of roads and houses. The places I have to hunt on the dogs have a lot more ground to hunt on. Neither of my dogs will go blazing out and in the mountains I don't want a dog that goes 700 yards to pick up a track. If mine pick up a track at 200 yards they will find the end and the other night that was a little over a mile away. To each his/her own I guess.

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I hunt all kinds of terrain... if I want him back I will call him back

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