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When Is A Deadline NOT A Deadline??
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Originally posted by Paul Frederick
Ok, I've looked through the last 18 months of Coonhound Advisor Columns in the Coonhound Bloodlines and I must admit fault with my previous statement. I was just sure that Allen or I had written about the conditional entries (and late entries) in the last few months. I was mistaken. Either way, here's the answer.
Before conditional entries the entry money could not be taken if a dog and handler were running late because no one had their Easy Entry card or the dog's papers to verify name, owner, and UKC number. We all know with the conditional entry provision, though, that you do not need those documents to enter a UKC Licensed Event, you will just have to pay the $5 conditional entry fee.
With late handlers it is acceptable for someone else to enter for them if they don't think they'll make the entry deadline. The key part though is that the entry must be paid, in full, before the entry deadline. Since the guy at the club doesn't have the Easy Entry card or dog's papers, they will also have to pay the $5 conditional entry fee before deadline. There is not "extending" of the deadline, the entry has already been entered and paid, it's just the participant has not arrived yet.
We then stipulate that all handlers, not present when casts are called out, will be scratched. Now, we want clubs to use good sense when it comes to scratching someone. Please don't bust tail and call the casts out faster than ever just to scratch a dog, but don't draw it out waiting for that cast member. Most of the time when someone is running late they are just a few minutes late so it doesn't delay the cast anyway.
Here's where a lot of handlers have been misinterpreting this rule. They think they can just call the number listed in the Upcoming Events and have them "hold" their entry for them. This is not the case. You had better have someone you know, and trusts you I guess, at the club who is willing to shell out the money for your dog to enter. If the club official or MOH knows the individual and wants to pay their entry it's fine but they have absolutely no obligation to do so.
The same would apply to Bench Show deadlines. You can accept the entry, as long as it's paid in full, but if the participant is not there when their cast is called, they are scratched and forfeit their entry money.
Something for all clubs to remember in this situation is that these hunters are your customers. By speeding up your process just to scratch someone who's entry has been paid, you have the possibility of losing a customer for life. Use good judgement.
When we look at return deadlines we have to remember that there is no extension of entry deadlines. If a guy walks in, who hasn't been entered at all, 2 seconds after deadline has been called, they cannot enter. If a cast walks in 2 seconds after return deadline has been called, their cast is scratched.
I hope this clears this up for you all. You might also consider that this rule has been in effect since January 1, 2011.
Thank you Paul, But even with answers sometimes there comes more questions. Let's take a Bench Show. SOO if someone calls in that they are running late the entry HAS (?) to be paid BEFORE the deadline time, correct? The way I am reading you it ISN'T an extension of the deadline BECAUSE the entry HAS BEEN paid BEFORE the entry deadline. So if no one paid their entry for them, then when they arrive AFTER the entry deadline even though they called are they allowed by the Rules of UKC to enter their dog?
AND with that another question about the hunts. Cast is running late. 3:00 AM deadline. Cast call in with their hunt (cast) results BEFORE 3:00 AM. They pull in at the club house at 3:05 AM is their card honored?
The results of their cast was called in BEFORE the deadline and they pulled in just minutes after that deadline so they aren't holding up anyone and the results were submitted BEFORE the deadline.
What is the difference? I am not trying to be hard or unreasonable but everything isn't gray. There is black and white. Just trying to think about this in a common sense way I don't really see the difference in the way this is trying to be explained away.
The Deadline is NOT being extended IF the results of the cast is called in BEFORE the deadline. Is it?
In a Common Sense way of thinking I just can't wrap my mind around THIS being different with THAT. Maybe someday it will click but TODAY it's NOT clicking. At least with me. Thanks to every one with THEIR opinion. "Good Night Irene"
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05-20-2013 03:20 AM
Of course I would want you scratched. 
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