ahallada
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 30 Years Later
Here we are 30 years later and we are still talking about the same subject. Let's face it, the Walker breeders were right, Redbones just don't know how to hunt. LOL
For what it's worth though the hardest hunting dogs I've hunted with were out of Gr. Nt. Ch. Hunter's Famous Amos, Gr. Nt. Ch. Miller's Valley Rocket, and Gr. Nt. Ch. Lumpkins Timber Chopper Jr. What do they all have in common? You guys figure that out. But that is where the drive, heart and BRAINS came from in my opinion.
Interesting that both Rocket and Woodpecker came from the same kennel. I was told that Mr. Miller sold Woodpecker and kept Rocket, because Woodpecker wouldn't go hunting the way he liked. That's hard to believe since I've lost many nights of sleep driving around looking for Woodpecker bred dogs in the 70s. My first redbone Nt. Ch. Ch. Tree Bustin Annabelle was from that Woodpecker line of dogs and she had no problem with drive and determination. I'd say more than I cared for in the hills I was hunting in at the time.
I've had the fortune of hunting with dogs from most of the breeding programs and there are definitely traits you can see in many of them. When I started hunting redbones back in the 70s, most would be back to your feet in 15-20 minutes. They kind of got a rap for being lazy hunters. If you did get one to hunt, then you got the biggest compliment known to a Walker man, "that red dog sure doesn't hunt like a red dog". I'd just fire back and say, well at least it doesn't sit around eating grass like a holstein.
Hunting heart and drive is something that Bill Wallock and I were striving for in our breeding programs. We talked to alot of people, hunted with many dogs, went through many dogs and different breeding programs but only settled on one. That's the program that Max Hunter started. Bill obtained Gr. Ch. Nt. Ch. Bosley's Little Kate to keep that program going as she was heavy in Gr. Nt. Ch. Lumpkin's Timber Chopper Jr. and Gr. Nt. Ch. Timber Scanning Radar (both Timber Chopper sons). I think you can find that in some of Danny Biggert's dogs. Danny was the handler of the father of TJ, Gr. Nt. Ch. Toussaint Red Talker and has a strong liking for that bloodline. He told me the same thing, that Talker would throw dirt in your face and you would find him treed somewhere. Talker was a son of Gr. Nt. Ch. Lumpkins Timber Chopper Jr. I spoke to many people who owned dogs out of Lumpkins Timber Chopper Jr. who said the same thing, that he threw some of the hardest hunting tree dogs ever. Talker was from a litter of 3 Gr. Nt. Ch. including Charlie Cundiff's Gr. Nt. Ch. Timber Talking Tim, so there was no mistake in that breeding. One of the hardest tree dogs I've ever heard was out of Timber Chopper Jr., the other was a litter mate to TJ named Kate. Both of these females were loud and would send a chill through your spine just listening to them tree.
We obtained two females (Nt. Ch. Famous Pansy and Penny) from Roger Shabel directly out of Famous Amos that were heavy bred Timber Chopper. These two females were from the first litters Famous Amos produced. Penny had Timber Chopper 5 times up close and Pansy had it 4 times also. Both of these females produced Timber Chopper looking dogs with TJ that had alot of drive and were great tree dogs. Most had that classic black Timber Chopper muzzle as pups. The pups from Penny and TJ had Timber Chopper in their pedigree 9 times. Roger Onsauger's Gr. Nt. Ch. Jack dog came from Penny as did a few more competition dogs. Phillip Gray had a littermate to Pansy that produced his Gr. Nt. Ch. Rusty Nail dog. Penny was a littermate to 4 Gr. Nt. Chs and Nt. Chs including Gr. Nt. Ch. Hershe's Hunting Red Ike owned by Hershel Burt. This was probably the best litter from Famous Amos.
The other breeding program I really liked was Johnny Coffman and Alger Morgan's that went back to TC through Coffman's Joe on one side and Miller's Valley Rocket on the other. Those dogs had some real hussle and wide range, big mouths and all night pressure tree dogs. Alger Morgan's Gr. Nt. Ch. Smokey Mountain Brandy was one of the best red dogs I've hunted with. Alger had a dog named Gr. Nt. Ch. Smokey Mountain Dooley (father of Brandy) that was the most under bred dog of his time. I think this was when the redbone breed really lost progress in the late 70s. It's also about the time that Little Man, Lookout Luke, and Ringo 1 were breeding thousands of females. If Dooley and Talker were bred to thousands of females, I believe this breed would have exploded in the 80s.
I purchased Gr. Ch. Nt. Ch. Squaw Mountain Goldie from Tim Whitaker in the early 90s to keep this Dooley bloodline going and to breed to TJ. She was making a name for herself at an early age in Indiana and some Walker boys told me about her and said, son you better get that female cause she don't hunt like no redbone. She just won best of show at Autumn Oaks when I met Tim for the first time and just won the Indiana State Hunt. She was one of the best put together red dogs I've ever seen on the bench. She was a direct daughter of Gr. Nt. Ch. Smokey Mountain Brandy on the top and a grandaughter of Gr. Nt. Ch. Lumpkins Timber Chopper Jr. on the bottom. You can still see some of that bloodline. Out of 2 litters there were a few Gr. Nt. Ch. and Nt. Ch. , many Gr. Ch. and none of these dogs needed to be kicked to go hunting. The males were bigger dogs in the 70-90 pound range and were great looking long legged dogs. These were the best looking dogs I've seen produced by TJ as a whole. A few of them had the pink nose that Goldie possessed which created quite a stir at our annual American Redbone Assoc. meeting in Branson, MO. Little did the board members know I purchased her just prior to the meeting. Pink nose or not, she produced coondogs and that is what I was striving for. Somewhere I think a Viszla got thrown in there. These pups had Timber Chopper in their pedigree 8 times up close through Coffman's Joe, Lumpkins Timber Chopper Jr. , Timber Scanning Radar/ Miller's Valley Rocket on Goldie's side, and 4 times on TJs side. There is no way they were going to miss. They were loud mouthed, hard hunting tree dogs for sure.
I also came across a female that Barry Jenkins owned that I was interested in breeding to named Gr. Nt. Ch. Jenkin's Crying Katie, direct daughter of Gr. Nt. Ch. Little Man and grandaughter of Gr. Nt. Ch. Haye's Red Ace. She was a good hunting dog with alot of brains and the first Little Man offspring I was impressed with! She just won one of the big Redbone Days when I got a call from Barry. She was bred to TJ and produced Gr. Nt. Ch. To the Maxx that I raised as a puppy and later sold back to Barry. He was an early starting dog that peaked at a younger age around 2-3 yr. (trait of Little Man dogs). I started hunting him at 3 months of age and he would stand right under TJ on the tree and act like he was the one who found it. I'd come home and wake up the girlfriend to tell her how little Maxx blew the top out of a tree tonight. He was one fun little pup to watch grow up and had a mouth like no other. He was the most natural born tree dog I raised and one of the most intelligent too. He was one I let get away, but for a good reason! Barry had his littermate brother that was blowing the top out of the woods before a year of age and making a name already with some redbone folks in Indiana. Unfortunately he died an early death (I think he was hit on the road while hunting) and Barry was heartbroken. I sold Maxx back to Barry around a year of age. Barry called me 6 months later to tell me that he and Butch Roeder just found his next world beater and was kicking some big name Treeing Walker's butts in Indiana. Boy was he right! I wish I could have bred Katie about 4 more times. You can find this breeding in the Gr. Nt. Ch. Gr. Ch. Nighty Night Amber dog that Danny Biggert raised, trained, finished out and Shane Maxey is promoting now.
The next cross on TJ that made a quick name was the one on Gr. Nt. Ch. Key's Outlaw Jessie owned by Theresa and Alton Key. Alton was raving to Bill Wallock about how these pups were blowing the tops out of the woods at a young age (under a year old). A friend of mine, Harold Hartley, who owned a littermate to Jessie (Gr. Nt. Ch. Billy Joe), called me and said I better go hunt with them because they are the real deal. So I packed up the yard stick and off we went.
Alton had both Moon and Girl there at the time so we took them both out with TJ. I think that was one of the most amazing nights as a breeder I can remember. Those dogs didn't mess around getting under a tree fast and were about as fast as any I've hunted with out of TJ. I think they were about 11 months old at the time. I don't remember how many coon we treed but it was alot in a very short time.
I later spent many nights in the woods with Moon and Maxx. They both had their own style. Maxx was a smaller dog built like Little Man. He was a highly intelligent dog and sneaky and a very independent split tree artist. He also had a big mouth for a small dog. Moon was a bigger dog with long legs like TJ and he could cover alot of terrain fast. He was going to get treed somewhere and fast but if the night got old and the tracks got tough he would move tracks other dogs literally couldn't smell. He was a track driving fool and one of the classiest tree dogs. He was more like TJ, but with more nose, and less ability to slam a lay up. He even sounded like TJ on the tree with a never ending chop. I'd say he is more of what Max Hunter was striving for in a dog and one of the best looking red dogs of his time. One of my favorite nights hunting with him was when Bill Wallock got him from Alton to hunt during the season. He kept telling me that I have to come down with TJ and go hunting with him because he is just like the old man, and was already an amazing track dog at 2 years of age.
We cut them loose in a big section on frozen snow about a foot deep. After about 30 minutes, Moon opened up on a track and started driving it slowly like a sure steady old dog. Bill and I were shocked because TJ had a pretty good nose, but we figured he was probably running it silent to get ahead of the young dog. Then they both drove it into another section over a mile away and slammed a tree on the edge of the section. Their loud mouths echoed across the field and Bill and I were in heaven. We realized that we just found our next TJ. Bill ended up finishing Moon to Nt. Ch. in short order and then Alton sold him to a friend of ours, Jordan Rathke, who finished him to Gr. Nt. Ch. If Moon had ended up in the hands of an experienced handler I think he would have shared the winning spotlight along with his littermate Gr. Nt. Ch. Outlaw Timber Girl. He was definitely capable of winning the big one. If you have some of this blood, you are very lucky!
I also hunted against Girl a few times after Shane Maxey got her and finished her to Gr. Nt. Ch. She was about as good of a competition dog as there was at the time. There is no wonder why she won so many hunts. Shane and Girl were just the winning combination this breed needed at the time. I remember being at National Redbone Days in Bellevue, Michigan, when Maxx won High Scoring Male and Overall Winner and she won High Scoring Female of Hunt. Moon won the bench show and pairs and placed 2 out of 3 nights in the hunt. There were also 3 other offspring from TJ that placed in that hunt. It was definitely the peak of breeding for us.
We also had Donny Miller and Roger Shabel's Gr. Nt. Ch. Millers Betsy in Bill's kennel for awhile to breed to TJ, but she ate all of her pups when they were born. That was a huge dissapointment because we had big plans for those puppies. I had dibs on pick of the litter male too. Betsy was bred previously to famous Amos and produced Gr. Nt. Ch. Amos Burning Ben (father of Outlaw Billy the Kid and Outlaw JJ). She was a daughter of Hayes Ace and a grandaughter of Coffman's Joe. Another great loss for sure. An interesting fact about Betsy is that she came from some single registered dogs on the dams side that only Donny Miller knows. One thing I do know is that James Merchant was just down the road and he and Donny were pretty good friends. James had a thing for redbones too, and had a pretty good one in Gr. Nt. Ch. Merchant's Buck. Now that is saying something when the Walker breeds biggest name was housing a redbone!
The last female I came across was Gr. Nt. Ch. Bussrow Bottom Brandy II and one of the best coondogs I've had the pleasure of hunting behind bar none. Brandy was owned by some coon hunters in Indiana that never competition hunted her. Jim Ridge (English Breeder) told me about her when I hunted against him at Autumn Oaks one night. He said she belonged to his hunting friend who didn't competition hunt and she put it on his world champion English dogs more than once. I missed my opportunity and she was soon discovered by Del Collins and his hunting partner and finished to Gr. Nt. Ch. in a little over 2 months including a big win at American Redbone Days. Her owners brought her up to breed to TJ and let me keep her there during hunting season.
This dog aggrivated me at first because she would split tree from other dogs a majority of the time and would usually end up treed about a half mile away by herself. I had her on trial after I bred her to TJ so I was putting her through the test. One night I was hunting TJ and his son named Rocket (grandson of Miller's Valley Rocket) who hit a hot track and slammed a tree near a road. I couldn't hear her on the tree from the road but it sounded like she was off in the distant. I got to the tree and Rocket (Rocky) and TJ were blowing the top out of that thing. Rocky had a loud mouth at the time that could be heard for miles.
When I got to the tree, I could hear Brandy about 25 yards away treeing. I was so amazed that these dogs could drive a hot track into a tree with such intensity and she wouldn't even honor them. So I shot the coon out of the tree to Rocky and TJ and wanted to see if she would leave her tree. Rock and TJ fought the coon after it came down and Brandy to my amazement never even missed a beat, she just treed harder. So I tied the other two up and went over and shot hers down too. I had to have her and the price was right. Rocky went to Del Collins, the previous owner of Brandy, and Brandy stayed with me. Rocky and Del went on to win US Redbone Days that next summer and Rocky eventually ended up in Pennsylvania with Norm and Herschel Burt, the owner of Rocky's mother (Gr. Ch. Nt. Ch. Hersh's Huntin Red Kate).
Brandy went on to win alot of big hunts including back to back weekend 1992 AKC World Ch. and 1992 ACHA World Champion Redbone titles , American Redbone Days Winner and US Redbone Opposite Sex. She won 90% of the hunts we put her in. She created alot of talk and respect from big name hunters from other breeds. The Walker hunters called her the little Walker dog in a red coat. She made fools of alot of big name dogs through the years and beat many with her accurate split treeing ability. She got treed faster and could put up more coon in 2 hours than any dog I've ever hunted with.
Brandy was a daughter of Gr. Nt. Ch. Indiana Speaker who was a big time PKC winner in his day, and granddaughter of Gr. Nt. Ch. Toussaint Red Talker (sire of TJ) on the Sire's side. From gathering some local Indiana knowledge, she possibly went back to a famous dog named World Ch. River Bend Flag on the bottom side. lol (seriously though). Anyone who ever hunted with a Flag offspring knew how hard of a tree dog they were. She had that loud ringing chop on tree that could be heard for miles, and thankfully because that is how far I would usually drive when things got tough because this dog would not come back until treed somewhere.
The most classic display of her ability was at the Wisconsin State Championship against the top Purina Point Dogs (Treeing Walkers) in the country at that time. Theresa Key was our guide and judge that night to make it even more classic. Brandy worked a track right in front of us that the 3 other dogs couldn't even smell for at least 20 minutes. We just about got a track penalty but she kept the track open just enough to avoid it. No other dogs said a thing. She then worked up a cold tree and finally locked on the tree and shut out the other 3 dogs on track and tree. I've never seen that before. Not with this caliber of competition. She literally made these dogs look like pups. When we got to the tree one dog was sniffing around the base of the tree and the other two were looking for a track. She had the meat and the rest was history! Now that is what I call heart, brains, and ability folks!
She produced a few Gr. Nt. Ch. with T.J. including Reinhart's Page that I raised and trained as a pup. Page was another early starting get going blow the top out of tree type dog just like her mom and dad. She drove me nuts some nights because she didn't know when to quit and come in. You usually had to catch her on the tree. I hunted her with her littermate Rage until they were about a year old and those two pups could get it done fast. When I hunted those two with Brandy and TJ, the treeing was some of the most intense I've ever heard. That was the most fun I've ever had in the woods with 4 dogs. She was later sold along with Goldie to a friend of mine in Wisconsin, Rich Reinhart, who did well for Page by finishing her to Gr. Nt. Ch. and winning National Redbone Days and produced some good dogs that are still on alot of winning pedigrees today.
Keep em Red and Raring!
Allen Hallada
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Dr. Allen Hallada (Doc Halladay)
Current:
PKC Ch. Gr.Nt.Ch. Cat Scratch Fever
(Gr.Nt.Ch. PKC Ch. Moonlight Aftershock x Gr.Nt.Ch. PKC Ch. Moonlight Outlaw Breanna)
2016 Finished to PKC Ch. in one week!
Dual Grand Champion CHKC Ch., PKC Gold Ch. All Grand Outlaw G-Man
(Gr.Nt.Ch.Glissens JJ Jr. x Gr.Nt.Ch. Outlaw Billy Jean)
4 Generations of All Grand Nite Champions!
Timber Jack 3X and Timber Chopper over 30X
2019 Southern National Redbone Days Champion
2016 National Grand Nite Champion Redbone
2016 CHKC Redbone Days Champion
2016 PKC Super Stakes Reserve Champion
2016 CHKC Elite Shootout Winner - Texas
CHKC All Time Money Winning Redbone
Bodacious
(Gr.Nt.Ch. Gr.Ch.PKC. Gold Ch.CHKC CH. Outlaw G-Man x Gr.Nt.Ch.Gr.Ch. CHKC Ch., PKC Gold Ch. Classy Cali)
Past:
Gr.Nt.Ch.Ch. Dawns Timber Jack
1988 American Redbone Days All Red Hunt Winner
1989 UKC World Champion Redbone
1989 Purina Outstanding Redbone Coonhound
#2 Historic Redbone Sire/ Top 20 All Breeds
American Redbone Coonhound Assoc. Hall of Fame
Gr.Nt.Ch. Bussrow Bottom Brandy II
1991 American Redbone Days Champion
1992 AKC World Champion Redbone
1992 ACHA World Champion Redbone
1992 Wisconsin State Champion
1994 US Redbone Days Opposite Sex
Produced 2 Nt. Ch. , 1 Gr.Nt.Ch. out of 2 litters and two Redbone Days Winners
Gr.Nt.Ch.Gr.Ch. PKC Gold Ch. Layton's Classy Cali
2012 UKC World Champion Redbone and 7th Place Overall
2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 UKC World Champion Redbone Female
2015 PKC Blue Ribbon Pro Hunt Winner - Goodsprings, AL
2015 PKC Blue Ribbon Pro Series Race - 3rd Place Overall
2016 PKC Blue Ribbon Pro Hunt Winner - New Albany, MS
2016 PKC Texas State Race Winner
2016 PKC Redbone Breed Race Winner
PKC All Time Money Winning Redbone
PKC Ch. Gr.Nt.Ch. Coffman's Smokin Red Buck
2016 UKC World Hunt 5th Place and World Champion Redbone
2016 National Redbone Days Overall Winner
Gr.Nt.Ch. Reinhart's Central Page
(Gr.Nt.Ch. Timber Jack x Gr.Nt.Ch. Brandy II)
Gr.Nt.Ch. Too the Maxx
(Gr.Nt.Ch. Timber Jack x Gr.Nt.Ch. Jenkins Crying Katie)
1992 National Redbone Days Champion
Gr.Ch.Nt.Ch. Ambraw River Rock
(Gr.Nt.Ch. Timber Jack x Gr.Ch.Nt.Ch. Hersh's Huntin Red Kate)
1992 US Redbone Days Opposite Sex
Nt.Ch. Tree Bustin Annabelle
1986 American Redbone Days All Red Hunt Winner
Nt.Ch. Timber Mace
(Gr.Nt.Ch. Timber Jack X Nt.Ch. Tree Bustin Annabelle)
Mother of Gr.Nt.Ch. Babb's Hazel
Nt. Ch. Timber Shock
(Gr.Nt.Ch.Timber Jack x Gr.Nt.Ch. Outlaw Jessie)
Gr. Ch. Nt. Ch. Squaw Mountain Goldie
(Direct Daughter of Gr.Nt.Ch.Smokey Mountain Brandy)
1990 Autumn Oaks Best of Show Winner
1988 Indiana State Champion
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