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Thats why I quit going to the comp hunts back in the early 90's. Was in my late teens early 20's and I think they really thought they could take advantage of me. It pissed me off when it happened to the point I figured I had better just stay away. I Think I would have gotten barred for punchin somebodies face for them. But im really thinking about getting back into the hunts Im older now and have alot more sense. Ive spectated in some big hunts and Ive seen dogs in casts that I could not beleive that they ever night champion or grand night. One of the biggest culls i ever seen was at Autums oaks. He got his butt kicked that night but still how did that dog ever get to that level. I mean that dog was a cull.

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Let me tell ya what me and a buddy done. It was oct. Still leaves everywhere. Acorns a falling. Coons a feeding on em. Well my ol dog runs in there bout 1/2 mile and gets treed. We go in. Its a big ol white oak tree. I locate the coons eyes way up there. Least 40 feet. Ol buddy proceeds to shoot Coon out. Great shot he out on it BUT it fell out and was a possum lol. Gods honest truth. So don't knowbody tell me I want plus a possum. I might not mean to though.

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Well i dont care if im guna win or not if my dog trees a opssum im guna withdraw right there n make sure he dont tree a opssum again just have ta walk ta the truck n turn on the tri tronix

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Let me tell ya what me and a buddy done. It was oct. Still leaves everywhere. Acorns a falling. Coons a feeding on em. Well my ol dog runs in there bout 1/2 mile and gets treed. We go in. Its a big ol white oak tree. I locate the coons eyes way up there. Least 40 feet. Ol buddy proceeds to shoot Coon out. Great shot he out on it BUT it fell out and was a possum lol. Gods honest truth. So don't knowbody tell me I want plus a possum. I might not mean to though.

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Sounds good to me.

I know a guy that hunts the other KC that always carries an extra tracking collar with him. If he believes he is being boned over on a tree, he just pulls out the collar, hangs it on the tree and tells the cheater "we'll be back here". He claims that never fails to bring out even the tiniest bit of honesty that every has somewhere in them. Whatever works........

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Well yeah, you could leave the collar but UKC doesn't have any provisions for taking a panel or MOH back out to look at the tree.

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If there was a coon or not, what would be the odds it would still be there when everyone came back maybe hours later. My opinion is leaving your collar in the woods would be nothing but a waste of time.

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If there was a coon or not, what would be the odds it would still be there when everyone came back maybe hours later. My opinion is leaving your collar in the woods would be nothing but a waste of time.

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They could lie like a rug and that video would not do you a bit of good.

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There may be some ruling or policy that prohibits video equipment on a cast but I'm not aware of it. As far as I know, you can carry a cam on the cast. What you CAN'T do is use a cam to effect the outcome of a hunt, either by taking a pic of a coon in a hollow tree or by videoing something and using that as evidence before the MOH. If you think videoing a hunt would increase honesty, ask UKC about it. Or Dave Haugh. I think he has more knowledge about this.

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My point is there really needs to be some out side the box thinking to curb this, alot of clubs are going under and the number of honest hunters are staying away from the hunt's that are still around. guy's spend alot of time and money training there hound getting it hunt ready then things like this happens, the honer rules do not seem to be working any more, do you agree?

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JiM... I like that idea haha.. I could see where that could change the thought process of some once you have marked the tree and they know you will be back there haha..

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Lol. I like that idea also, believe in other kc you can mark the tree with your garmin as long as your dog is leashed, so the collar might be handy. UKC I have said it before, they need a rule where you can take panel back to the tree, would help keep a little more honest if knew they could get called on it? jmo

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Location: western pennsylvania
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I just got into hunting last year ive been wanting to comp hunt but after going to a few hunts with my buddy as a spectator seeing first hand the lies and cheating and whining that goes on and reading all the negative stuff on these boards about it its no wander people dont go or that the youth doesnt want to get involved in the sport ill just keep pleasure hunting my hounds these titles dont mean jack if you have to lie and cheat to get them as long as my hounds tree me coons thats good enough for me!

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Maybe im just extremly lucky..... I go to quite a few hunts in the 2 major KCs. and i just dont see all these cheaters,liers and crooks.
Its been a long time since i have even seen a question brought back to a clubhouse to be presented.
Almost every day there is a negative thread about the hunts and the same handful of people who openly admit either they dont competition hunt or havent in years pile on with the negative comments on a message board that is provided FREE for their use by the same kennel club that they love to trash.
If you complainers care about this sport stop and think about the young person that is considering getting involved in the hunts, he comes on this board and reads a bunch of this sore looser crap and decides he had better steer clear of those UKC. events.
The reality is if you prepare your dog and know the rules the VAST majority of your casts will be fun, you will meet alot of great people and will get to see some nice hounds. JMO.

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maybe its just me but i have never seen a possum more than 10 ft up a tree around here.

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Your right, we do need to think about it.
Also jdoverspike don't give up yet their are alot of good people out there, have had alot of good hunts versus bad. And I remember a few years back drawing a cast with 2 young guys 18 to 20 they really didn't have the rules down and one young man was his first hunt, things came up and I explained to the best of my knowledge the rules. Remember how these young guys were ready to circle my obvious slick snag on the edge of a creek, I could have won this cast, they explained coon could be in the bank, I said no guys minus him if it were in the bank he should be showing it, we all shook hands the young guy won the hunt and was so proud of the win ,think he came in 3rd we talked a long time at the truck about dogs and hunts, Had a great night( they walked my butt off) but was a pleasure and this young guy went on to make a GR.Nite dog and some other wins.Something I or maybe he will not forget, we still shake hands at the hunts when I see him and talk..But how would I have felt about that win if I stole it from him? Probably not very good about it and he would of found out that I did cheat him out of a win. I like for my dog to win it and sometimes he does and I throw it away LOL.. Keep after it newbys and there is more good hunts than bad, but read them rules over and over, I still have trouble with them from time to time.. Good luck all. (Sorry so windy LOL)

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Well said , John Duemmer !

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I Have drawn guys like this before. Just make it the most miserable 2 hours they ever hunted.

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That's another reason I didn't suspect it.

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Maybe im just extremly lucky..... I go to quite a few hunts in the 2 major KCs. and i just dont see all these cheaters,liers and crooks.
Its been a long time since i have even seen a question brought back to a clubhouse to be presented.
Almost every day there is a negative thread about the hunts and the same handful of people who openly admit either they dont competition hunt or havent in years pile on with the negative comments on a message board that is provided FREE for their use by the same kennel club that they love to trash.
If you complainers care about this sport stop and think about the young person that is considering getting involved in the hunts, he comes on this board and reads a bunch of this sore looser crap and decides he had better steer clear of those UKC. events.
The reality is if you prepare your dog and know the rules the VAST majority of your casts will be fun, you will meet alot of great people and will get to see some nice hounds. JMO.

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They are called "honor" rules. To those of us who believe in honor there is no problem.
However it doesn't matter what the sport or the game if someone thinks they can cheat and win then they will cheat and win.
Coon hunting, Golf, darts, poker etc. it doesn't matter "cheaters gonna cheat"
I've met some cheaters, I've drawn out and hunted against some cheaters.
But (and this is a huge BUT), the quality people I've met and the good people I've met at these hunts more than makes up for having to deal with the culls.
When I sign your dog up your doing it because you want to win, heck, I'm planning on winning....if the chips will just fall my way.
But I'm not going to cheat to do it because I have to stand up and look at myself in the mirror in the mornings, and I have to like what I see looking back at me. I represent not just myself but my wife, my children, my relationship with God and yes even that flea bitten hound on the end of my lead.
And they deserve no less than an honest man.

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