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we can poll all we want but it WILL NOT change anything. i like UKC but they have never been known in the 25 yrs i have been doing this to change a rule far as points. so i don't see where they will listen now.

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A tree countdown would go through the breed reps I believe. Its been brought up a few times and always fails.

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Striking for 25 treeing for 125 equals 150
Striking for 100 covers 4 minutes later for 75 equals 175
Your coon dog is beat by the covering dog

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Guess this horse isnt quite dead yet....

If your getting beat by a dog that covers at 4:25..... Sorry, but a countdown wont help you.

The agrivating ones are the ones that open when they smell dirt and cover just as quick......Countown dosent affect these at all.

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tree count down doesn't bother me but I would rather change strike points before worrying about tree points. In Ukc breed associations have to vote it in and there is only one breed in the past that has been in favor of the count down.

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If you aren't for a countdown on the tree then you aren't used to the quality of dogs that I am. A dog that strikes for 25 and trees for 125 3 times CAN be considered a Coondog (notice i said CAN! there is other factors) A dog that strikes for 100 3 times, covers once after 2 minutes for 75, covers after 3 minutes for 75, and covers after 1 minute 10 seconds for 75 is a me tooing idiot that needs shot. Even If there is a dog on the cast that is a quicker track dog, better locater etc... There is absolutely no excuse for a dog covering after 10-20 seconds. They need to get the hell outta dodge. But who won the cast I just described? The me-too junk. If there was a countdown he would have been beat. It will never happen though... Wouldn't wanna offend anyone (mainly the 75% of owners and handlers that show up at a Ukc hunt with junk....)

How about we just make 1st tree 125 points and everyone else automatically goes in for 25?!?! Reward the coon treers... If you have a Coondog you should be just fine... I guess we would find out how many of these big name 95% accurate super all grand Coondogs really are good at Treeing real live Ricky's instead of tagging along!!!!

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If you aren't for a countdown on the tree then you aren't used to the quality of dogs that I am. A dog that strikes for 25 and trees for 125 3 times CAN be considered a Coondog (notice i said CAN! there is other factors) A dog that strikes for 100 3 times, covers once after 2 minutes for 75, covers after 3 minutes for 75, and covers after 1 minute 10 seconds for 75 is a me tooing idiot that needs shot. Even If there is a dog on the cast that is a quicker track dog, better locater etc... There is absolutely no excuse for a dog covering after 10-20 seconds. They need to get the hell outta dodge. But who won the cast I just described? The me-too junk. If there was a countdown he would have been beat. It will never happen though... Wouldn't wanna offend anyone (mainly the 75% of owners and handlers that show up at a Ukc hunt with junk....)

How about we just make 1st tree 125 points and everyone else automatically goes in for 25?!?! Reward the coon treers... If you have a Coondog you should be just fine... I guess we would find out how many of these big name 95% accurate super all grand Coondogs really are good at Treeing real live Ricky's instead of tagging along!!!!

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you know everybody can make excuses for getting beat by a me too dog when all they have to do is get a better strike dog.... and no it does not have to babbel to win.... i hunt 3rd and 4th strike dogs and win my share without a countdown.... you need the total package to win from strike to tree.... get a dog you dont need to change the rules to win with

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Who said anything about needing to Change the rules to win? I don't have a problem winning. It doesn't have anything to do with that... It has everything to do with making it that much harder for an instant strike dog that covers for 75! And there's more than people want to admit... How many dogs like this would still show up at a hunt if they knew after a minute they go in for 25? I bet we would see a whole diff class of hound every weekend. Kinda like going to a different KC hunt that does have a countdown!!!!

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Award the dog that is doing the work.... that you can honestly judge.You can walk to a tree and see a coon but you can not honestly judge a strike unless you can see the coon as your dog barks.To many barks made that dont mean a thing,babbling, some will bark when they take a crap.Some will bark at everything, some bark at nothing. Some of these rules are so outdated ...Look at this picture...you cut 4 dogs loose and all 4 get split .WITH A COON......so your score looks like this...100/100....100/75...100/50...100/25...It dont take a very smart man to figure there were 4 ....DIFFERENT TRACKS....but the other 3 dogs did exactly the same thing but because of todays 40 year old rules 3 dogs will not be treated fairly for the work they did.......In my opinion 2 min is too long to keep a tree open.Another thing that bothers me is why move a dog up to first tree if the handler declared him treed for a lesser position( split tree I understand,but just because the dog that was declared treed first decides to leave...IT DONT CHANGE THE FACT THAT THE HANDLER PUT THE DOG ON THE TREE AT A LESSER POSITION...Do away with strike points ...too much barking going on and we realy dont have a clue what most are barking at.....GOOD NIGHT

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Award the dog that is doing the work.... that you can honestly judge.You can walk to a tree and see a coon but you can not honestly judge a strike unless you can see the coon as your dog barks.To many barks made that dont mean a thing,babbling, some will bark when they take a crap.Some will bark at everything, some bark at nothing. Some of these rules are so outdated ...Look at this picture...you cut 4 dogs loose and all 4 get split .WITH A COON......so your score looks like this...100/100....100/75...100/50...100/25...It dont take a very smart man to figure there were 4 ....DIFFERENT TRACKS....but the other 3 dogs did exactly the same thing but because of todays 40 year old rules 3 dogs will not be treated fairly for the work they did.......In my opinion 2 min is too long to keep a tree open.Another thing that bothers me is why move a dog up to first tree if the handler declared him treed for a lesser position( split tree I understand,but just because the dog that was declared treed first decides to leave...IT DONT CHANGE THE FACT THAT THE HANDLER PUT THE DOG ON THE TREE AT A LESSER POSITION...Do away with strike points ...too much barking going on and we realy dont have a clue what most are barking at.....GOOD NIGHT

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I vote yes bc ukc is full of me to dogs most of the time one dog is doing all the work and the rest just packing in there if ukc would do this you would see better dogs at there hunts if my dog has been treed for 4 minutes and a dog comes treed with him at 4:59 why should it get 75 for just me toing

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If you aren't for a countdown on the tree then you aren't used to the quality of dogs that I am. A dog that strikes for 25 and trees for 125 3 times CAN be considered a Coondog (notice i said CAN! there is other factors) A dog that strikes for 100 3 times, covers once after 2 minutes for 75, covers after 3 minutes for 75, and covers after 1 minute 10 seconds for 75 is a me tooing idiot that needs shot. Even If there is a dog on the cast that is a quicker track dog, better locater etc... There is absolutely no excuse for a dog covering after 10-20 seconds. They need to get the hell outta dodge. But who won the cast I just described? The me-too junk. If there was a countdown he would have been beat. It will never happen though... Wouldn't wanna offend anyone (mainly the 75% of owners and handlers that show up at a Ukc hunt with junk....)

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It's easy to try and find faults in the things that aren't important when the truth is blatantly obvious.

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Nat am 100% with you

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i find it funny all the me too dogs win so much... i got beat by one a few weeks ago but it doesnt happen often.... i still dont think we should change the rules so yall can win.... your dog aint that good if you are consistantly looseing to them... your dog is either to independant or a very poor strike dog and niether will win many wars... strike accounts for to many points for you not to be concerned about it.... my own dogs are weak on the strike but i still dont feel yhe rules need changed to benefit them... i can either deal with it or get a better one... when i win a hunt it is first trees and accuracy that do it for me.... i have gotten some second trees before but they are few and far between.... cant ever remember being more than a few barks behind the dog that treed first.... a tree count down is what has taken away the tracking ability and caused the complete loners all a fault of a true coon dog....

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Nat you are right. They don't want the rule to change cause they don't want to put the work into the dog to make him quit doing the bad traits it's easier to have one that me too to your dog that you knew how to train and got more money in because he is good verse one one you wanna lead over the hill and dispose of cause he is a covering idiot

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There is another registry that has a tree count down and 1st tree of 125, they also have a rule to deal with babblers, yet no one will attend their events. They just had a 64 dog hunt where the final 4 split $10,000 and it didn't fill. Based on the attendance of those hunts with the exact rules you guys are proposing why on earth would/should UKC change their rules.

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i find it funny all the me too dogs win so much... i got beat by one a few weeks ago but it doesnt happen often.... i still dont think we should change the rules so yall can win.... your dog aint that good if you are consistantly looseing to them... your dog is either to independant or a very poor strike dog and niether will win many wars... strike accounts for to many points for you not to be concerned about it.... my own dogs are weak on the strike but i still dont feel yhe rules need changed to benefit them... i can either deal with it or get a better one... when i win a hunt it is first trees and accuracy that do it for me.... i have gotten some second trees before but they are few and far between.... cant ever remember being more than a few barks behind the dog that treed first.... a tree count down is what has taken away the tracking ability and caused the complete loners all a fault of a true coon dog....

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May you are right. They don't want the rule to change cause they don't want to put the work into the dog to make him quit doing the bad traits it's easier to have one that me too to your dog that you knew how to train and got more money in because he is good verse one one you wanna lead over the hill and dispose of cause he is a covering idiot

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There is another registry that has a tree count down and 1st tree of 125, they also have a rule to deal with babblers, yet no one will attend their events. They just had a 64 dog hunt where the final 4 split $10,000 and it didn't fill. Based on the attendance of those hunts with the exact rules you guys are proposing why on earth would/should UKC change their rules.

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my 13 month old female with2 wins towards grand is a high end strike dog but always by her self she's not been beat in a ukc hunt but it still is a bunch of BS to watch a dog cover her for 75 4 minutes after she had been treed even though she getting 225+ on it but the other dog don't deserve 150+ for doing nothing.so tell me what the dog did to deserve 150+ if you don't agree

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I guess the listing the breed you hunt went right out the window here. Why is it only walker and a few english folks like the countdown???

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I guess the listing the breed you hunt went right out the window here. Why is it only walker and a few english folks like the countdown???

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