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jculler8
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I like the way AKC has strike points set up. Similar to what is posted, however, honest first strike dogs are awarded too.

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I cant understand the theory that somehow strikeing for 50 somehow hurts the honest strike dog. No matter how much hustle a dog has or no matter how good a nose a dog has, if its an honest strike dog it will never out strike a dog that opens when it smells nothing at all.

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GA DAWG
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quote:
Originally posted by john Duemmer
I cant understand the theory that somehow strikeing for 50 somehow hurts the honest strike dog. No matter how much hustle a dog has or no matter how good a nose a dog has, if its an honest strike dog it will never out strike a dog that opens when it smells nothing at all.

It want but you kinda have to have a rule that makes the folks hunting these quick strike dog think they may still get away with a little sumpthin. They want go for a 50 across the board. Gotta compromise

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jet delong
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Awful idea,the dog that goes out and finds the track first should be rewarded the same as the dog that finds the correct tree first.In my opinion a slick treeing first tree dog is no better than a babbler but yet guys carry the slick tree dogs to hunt after hunt waiting on the chance to draw the right guy that goes along with plusing every knot,spider eye ect and getting a cast win.If you use the score card correctly the babbler should not be a problem.

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patches9452
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quote:
Originally posted by john Duemmer
I cant understand the theory that somehow strikeing for 50 somehow hurts the honest strike dog. No matter how much hustle a dog has or no matter how good a nose a dog has, if its an honest strike dog it will never out strike a dog that opens when it smells nothing at all.

the dog that is honest should be rewarded for it.... it doesnt always happen but you shouldnt penalize it when it does.... this is the same mentality obama is useing to spread the wealth

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englishbuddy
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Break them babblin idiots thru the week and enforce the rules on the week end or pleasure hunt em....... A 50 strike does not stop this fault !!! How is this any different than a guy pitchin his dog on strike ????? Most of these dogs yap yap yap then take to a nice bawl mouth when they strike a coon ... Break em ,,,, Keep em home ,,,,,, Or take your chances of gettin scratched by the rules we still have left.. JMO

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Dale Young
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Originally posted by patches9452
the dog that is honest should be rewarded for it.... it doesnt always happen but you shouldnt penalize it when it does.... this is the same mentality obama is useing to spread the wealth

I think most would agree with the "honest" part of this . The other side of the coin would be the honest dog wouldn't be in the hole to the babbler every drop and if the babbler got caught at it he'd have a 50 minus to boot . Something to think about I guess.

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patches9452
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Originally posted by Dale Young
I think most would agree with the "honest" part of this . The other side of the coin would be the honest dog wouldn't be in the hole to the babbler every drop and if the babbler got caught at it he'd have a 50 minus to boot . Something to think about I guess.

if the babbler gets caught he is minused already or should be at least

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pamjohnson
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next thing nobody wins because nobody wants to loose. everybody gets credit for effort. come on

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patches9452
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next thing nobody wins because nobody wants to loose. everybody gets credit for effort. come on

well said

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Larry Atherton
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next thing nobody wins because nobody wants to loose. everybody gets credit for effort. come on

Yep, lets just give everyone 50 strike and 125 tree and yellow slips for all.lol

I enjoy an honest first strike dog. I really love having a dog that can tree coon smack in the midst of the rest of the cast who can't smell it.

Fact of the matter is there are several traits of hounds that truly decrease my enjoyment of the hunts, but ya know what they are the same as just plain ole bad luck. Ya deal with it, or ya go home.

By the way I prefer my wine with a fruity bouquet.

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John Garrison
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take away the 1min rule that protects the babbler, if they don't move the track out off the leash, minus them then if you vote on it the babbler Will get minus, I PROMISE YOU. then when your dog split trees we should move your dog up to 100 pts that keep the babbler from keeping you from getting 25 pts. the true winner will be crowned, an the babblers will quit coming to the hunts, this message was approved by John Garrison

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Climb or Die
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the name of the game is treeing coon not striking them. maybe we could work it out that if a dog is split his strike points get moved up because it obvious he struck that coon first. i am with the lowering of stike points or one set of strike points and moving up tree points. The values of strike and tree and way to close in my opinion

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bluetick250
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lets just have a 30 second count down tree

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headless01
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Originally posted by Jackson87
Count me in 2.Its obvious theve gotin good at wining with these babblin mutts. I think they all need a lead pill.

i said this a year ago and some said it would be the worse rule ever. hard to beat a babbling, me to 2nd tree dog, thats good at it. the ones hunting babblers are going to keep coming to the hunts and don't want a points rule change and will defend the babbling dog. a dog that can tree a coon that the other dogs can't smell should'nt be babbling to start with. theres a difference.

Heres a idea, why not award track points similar like they do the winning yellow slips, 1st - 50 points, 2nd - 45 points, 3rd - 40 points, 4th -35 points.

1st tree -135 pts, 2nd tree - 75 pts, 3rd-50 pts, 4 -25 points. that should be fair enough for the babbling, me to ones and will show which dog did the best that night.

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john Duemmer
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No need to argue over which is worse, the babblers or the meeeto dogs because strikeing for 50 would eliminate both problems. A covering dog could not win without the additional strike points.

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that is the most inteligent statement that i have ever seen on this board

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John Garrison
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UKC will never only give 50 pts across the board on strikes , lets face that, even though its a good idea. that's why I think you have to minus the babbler off the leash ,and get to vote on it 2nd babble scratched. then when your dog splits they will get moved up to 100 strike no matter what they were struck in for. but what ever it would be nice if ukc would at least change this 1 min rule ,do away with it !

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UKC will never only give 50 pts across the board on strikes , lets face that, even though its a good idea. that's why I think you have to minus the babbler off the leash ,and get to vote on it 2nd babble scratched. then when your dog splits they will get moved up to 100 strike no matter what they were struck in for. but what ever it would be nice if ukc would at least change this 1 min rule ,do away with it !

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chuck west
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I'll throw in my 2 cents and open a new can of worms ,,, First strike 125 and strictly enforce the babbling rule,, Might even help out on the pitchers too . It doesnt take to long for the 125 minus to accumulate ,lol.

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John Garrison
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yes 125 would be nice, my thinking, that would make hunters want babblers that much more.reward them more for tree.good thought though chuck.

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tincup
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You want to stop babbling?
Change rules and start time. And leave point system as is.
Anything barking on lead gets scratched. ZERO TOLERANCE.
Man created this babbling monster by breeding and lining them up in a hunt before turning them loose. It will take time, but breeding and training will put this monster away for good. Like the good ole days, not many babblers.

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patches9452
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quote:
Originally posted by tincup
You want to stop babbling?
Change rules and start time. And leave point system as is.
Anything barking on lead gets scratched. ZERO TOLERANCE.
Man created this babbling monster by breeding and lining them up in a hunt before turning them loose. It will take time, but breeding and training will put this monster away for good. Like the good ole days, not many babblers.

Jerry Kotterman

its crazy to scratch a dog barking on the lead if they smell a coon.... im all for scratching or minusing babblers when they deserve it but lets be realistic.... in my area i see very few babblers and will minus one in a minute if given the chance... i see way more gungho guys that want to minushonest strike dogs when struck under the minute than i do babblers

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Originally posted by john Duemmer
No need to argue over which is worse, the babblers or the meeeto dogs because strikeing for 50 would eliminate both problems. A covering dog could not win without the additional strike points.

This is a great post. I don't see how anyone can disagree. It takes no skill to bark but it does take some skill to get under a tree quick with a coon. Keep strike points so people keep the open traiing hounds but it would make it a level playing field. A poodle could get struck but i doubt he would tree a coon.

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Jackson87
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Yep auto striken takes no skill.First dog to get parked under a coon now that dog that has brains.That dog should get rewarded.200 for first tree sounds good to me.LOL.Slick treers would get minused quicker 2.

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