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Whats the big deal about leaving tracker on during a nite hunt it should be allowed get a dog u raised and trained run over or one u payed good money for run over cause you draw a guide that hunts close to roads and u will change your mind real quick !!!!!!!!!!!!

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everybody keeps talking about let the non hunting judge keep it.... am i the only one who doesnt hunt hunts with non hunting judges.... in fact i can count on one hand all the hunts i have been on with a non hunting judge and have a few fingers left over... i for one do not have a problem with a non hunting judge haveing a tracker with my dog on it as long as safety is all its ever used for... in fact as the rules are now im not sure it would be against them.... as long as the hunter didnt have his on

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I dont like non hunting judges thats realy how u get crooked hunting judges is best that way every one on the cast can vote

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everybody keeps talking about let the non hunting judge keep it.... am i the only one who doesnt hunt hunts with non hunting judges.... in fact i can count on one hand all the hunts i have been on with a non hunting judge and have a few fingers left over... i for one do not have a problem with a non hunting judge haveing a tracker with my dog on it as long as safety is all its ever used for... in fact as the rules are now im not sure it would be against them.... as long as the hunter didnt have his on

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i dont mind the guys having them on in there pocket but use them in a timeout only , no different than a radio box,after all they are tracking devices,and have had no problems with anyone,cell phones is what you should be more worried about cause they will beat you every time by 25+ jmo

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i dont mind the guys having them on in there pocket but use them in a timeout only , no different than a radio box,after all they are tracking devices,and have had no problems with anyone,cell phones is what you should be more worried about cause they will beat you every time by 25+ jmo

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u figure

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Really, Just how many of us are going to let a stranger carry a $500 piece of technolgy for us .

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u figure

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and read it section 20 in general info , so they will be in the truck if there on. thanks, never give it much thought if the guys never had them out during hunt time. wouldnt be no different than walkin around with an old quicktrack box on during the entire hunt time in a sense would it .

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And what if the non hunting judge falls into deep water with 4 garmins in his pockets? and it looks like he did it on purpose? or he claims to have lost one of them and the next week he has a "spare" garmin for sale at another event?

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I can see where a guy could use a ecollar to cheat in a hunt. But I have been saying since the Garmins came out there is no way to cheat with a garmin that you can't cheat with out. I see someone asked what if the guy trees his dog off of his garmin? Well if I'm judging the cast we better be able to hear him barking or he is not going on the card. And if we can hear him and you call him treed it goes on the card and is scored accordingly. If the dog treed and had the coon his performance was in no way enhanced by the garmin. And if a dog in the cast is treed and out of hearing I as a judge would like to tighten up so the handler has a chance to hear his dog or to keep the cast close to better be able for the handlers to call. Why is that cheating? Let's just list the pros and cons.

Pros
Keep dogs off roads
Stay closer to dogs so handlers can more easily call them
Be able to tell when dogs in cast are heading in opposite directions and timeout may need to be called
Make it easier for guide to know when dogs are getting where they are not supposed to be ie. trespassing, roads ect.
Make it easier to judge and call dogs in bad weather.
Make it easier to find dogs during timeouts and end of hunts.

Cons
Someone will try to use them to cheat.
It makes some feel like we are breaking tradition.


IMO it is obvious it provides many more pros than cons. I also believe with smaller hunting areas and more urban sprawl this is a necessary tool for keeping the peace with landowners and home owners. The cheating excuse reminds me of the gun ban argument. The argument is the same. The rule breakers will break the rules with or without a garmin. So the only people being punished are the rule abiding hunters looking to bring ol bowser home and in one piece at the end of the night. The tracking collars do not enhance the dogs ability to tree coon. But it does enhance our ability to better judge a cast, and keep the dogs and handlers safer. I remember reading about Russ Bellar and how much trouble he went through when first introducing beep beep collars to the competition hunts. I though man I would hate to turn a dog loose in a hunt on strange ground with NO tracking collar. How could the powers that be then not realize how great this tool was for the handlers to help keep there dogs from getting lost or stolen? But at that time the tradition was no trackers in the hunts. Now the collars have advanced, maybe our traditions need to as well. Like a wise man once said "There is no great lesson to be learned by the second kick from a mule."

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first off you cant refuse a call for treeing in ukc, even if you cant hear it... next i can elect to walk while your running the two in hopes i can get close enough to hear the dog i treed on the garmin, keep in mind if i have a garmin i know which way to walk and how far he is so can judge from that whether to tree or not... this isnt something i think needs to be used in a hunt at all

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first off you cant refuse a call for treeing in ukc, even if you cant hear it... next i can elect to walk while your running the two in hopes i can get close enough to hear the dog i treed on the garmin, keep in mind if i have a garmin i know which way to walk and how far he is so can judge from that whether to tree or not... this isnt something i think needs to be used in a hunt at all

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Wondering who told you a judge has to accept a call on a dog he cant hear? This is another example of someone useing something that isnt true to support a scenario that doesnt exist. If you actually hunt with a garmin you know full well that anyone that calls their dog based on information on the garmin will certainly take alot of minus points.

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allen said on here that if a judge could not hear a dog treed and a handler treed it to accept the call and start the 2.... i promise you i can tree my dogs off of my garmin.... just because it shows treed i cant but common sense tells me when they show treed out of hearing for any length of time they are treed and so far they have been.... i will try to find where allen said that if i can... now since it isnt true let me know where you get your info so i can check it out also

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OK play it out your way... you tree your dog out of hearing and the judge starts the 2....... are you really gonna gamble that you can get the cast back in hearing range of that dog in 2 minutes?

My point is that all these imagined possibilities wont really work in the woods, the use of a garmin to cheat would cost you way more often than it would work.

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I was always told not to put it on the card if you and no other cast members could hear the dog. I mean if I can't hear the dog how would I know if he moved? Pretty sure that is one of the things you have to judge while the dog is treed. What if the two is almost up and the handler is the only one who hears the dog again? Just start the two over and keep walking? But even if you are right, can't you do the same thing with no collar on if as you say "it is the right situation". However if you had your garmin on you would have known to move in that direction to keep the dog within hearing. Then when he treed he could be heard and judged. Pitching dogs would not be exclusive to or because of garmins. It would be because someone is trying to cheat to win..... which can and does happen now.

Let me know if you find the link where Allen says to take a call on a dog no one else can hear. IMO that rule would be much worse and cause more problems than using a garmin. But if that is the way ukc wants it judged I need to change my ways.

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