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I'm looking for young dogs that will get treed. Three best dogs I have trained would slick tree a lot as young dogs and then kept getting more and more accurate as their tracking ability improved.

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Hello Vic, How have you been? It's been awhile since I have spoken to you. I am glad to see that you were able to get a female to replace Annie with.

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Hello Vic, How have you been? It's been awhile since I have spoken to you. I am glad to see that you were able to get a female to replace Annie with.

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I'd also say that some of what you are looking for definitely would depend on where you hunt and how you hunt. As much as possible, I try to stay in the woods with my dogs as apposed to tail gate hunting. I usually turn a dog out, go to them when they tree and recast off of the tree. Some areas I know that isn't as possible to do. This helps me to be able to adjust a young dog that will gamble more.

I think there are two types of misses that a dog makes. The one that you see when you go to a tree, and the ones that you don't see when a dog leaves a coon up a tree because they aren't sure it is there. If a dog is leaving coon up, even if he ends up under another coon and stays, he's still not accurate in my opinion.

I'm not gonna spend a bunch of time with a slick tree'r that doesn't show me other strong areas like desire to hunt and a style of tracking that I think just needs improved. I just want to see some strong tree strength at a young age. Give me a young dog that isn't lazy, has a brain, doesn't stand on it's head on a track, and will get hooked right or wrong, and me and that dog will straighten out the rest.

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You have it right! Ya ever hear the saying from those hunting young hounds in the summer time when they locate up here and there and then move on and finally tree up. Right away the words out of thier owners mouth is, must be running some kittens when most of the time the young hound is leaving coon because he checks himself to much and comes across another track and then bang, there he goes again! Tree first for me is the way I like'm, always have and always will!! Track is where they were, treeing is where it's at if ya want to see the coon!! JMO!!

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Tree first for me is the way I like'm, always have and always will!! Track is where they were, treeing is where it's at if ya want to see the coon!! JMO!!

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I prefer a track driving pup myself.I'm not interested in a slick treeing/gambling pup.Most that I've seen that tree to much when they're young do it because they are a little weak in the drive and hunt department.Instead of checking out and going searching,all they know is to get treed.They have to get to where the game is and they can't get there when there treeing slick around you all night.I prefer a hard hunting pup that can move a track.If they have any brains,they will start locating and treeing and when they do,most will have something when they park and finish out into balanced hounds.As far as the coon laying up,a solid track dog that can run a track on air scent with it's head up learn pretty quick how to tree on that same air scent with a little age and experience.JMO

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150 plus beats 1100 circle any way you add it up.I can't stand a wood monster myself.

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well if some people wants hard tree dogs they need to go see those tw people. I'll take a fine tracking dog over a hard treeing dog any day of the week. I just dont understand why people think a tree dog makes a coon dog. A coon dogs job is TRACK IT then tree it and show you the tree, 130 barks a min or 50. He has to do the first part well or all the tree wont do you a darn thing but looking at blanks.

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I agree! Above average tracking ability is very important to me. I want my hound to move the track hot or cold. Accuracy goes hand in hand with having a good nose in my opinion. A young pup that displays this trait early is a top prospect worth further training and hunting.

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I want both, but he didn't give that as a choice. lol.

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A track that is pushed with authority and brought to the right conclusion is what a coondawg has to have before it can tree. Tree power or ability gets better with age.

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A track that is pushed with authority and brought to the right conclusion is what a coondawg has to have before it can tree. Tree power or ability gets better with age.

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guess im either to picky or to greedey i want it all
after they start treeing their own here they better be able to do both well and tree a few layups along the way by a year and a half old and be accurate or they arent stayin at my house all the training in the world cant replace natural ability

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if that pup cant track outstanding as a youngster he wont as an adult--most are happy to play with wood monster and stay home when it gets late or the weather is nasty...........like some have said i want the one who is almost 100 accurate but does stay treed solid,in my experience these will learn to gamble later on if they have the other necessary ingredient DESIRE.

i also do not want the one who locates,trees a little and moves on continually,--these are no better than the one who gets treed inside 100 feet everytime--either way they are not future allstars.

JUNK SLICK TREE'ERS JUST KEEP GETTING TRADED ON--and eventually get bred to recover the money lost on them.


How can a dog possibly be accurate or quick if it isnt strong in the tracking department .

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I've been hunt walker dogs for the last 15 years I know all about tree power treeing is pointless if there is nothing in it I can look outside an see a tree if a dog can run a track they can't tree the coon we all would love to have both but sometime tree power is just something someone like to hear my self I like seeing a coon in the tree not just a tree jmo thanks

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I've been hunt walker dogs for the last 15 years I know all about tree power treeing is pointless if there is nothing in it I can look outside an see a tree if a dog can run a track they can't tree the coon we all would love to have both but sometime tree power is just something someone like to hear my self I like seeing a coon in the tree not just a tree jmo thanks

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I prefer a track driving pup myself.I'm not interested in a slick treeing/gambling pup.Most that I've seen that tree to much when they're young do it because they are a little weak in the drive and hunt department.Instead of checking out and going searching,all they know is to get treed.They have to get to where the game is and they can't get there when there treeing slick around you all night.I prefer a hard hunting pup that can move a track.If they have any brains,they will start locating and treeing and when they do,most will have something when they park and finish out into balanced hounds.As far as the coon laying up,a solid track dog that can run a track on air scent with it's head up learn pretty quick how to tree on that same air scent with a little age and experience.JMO

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I guess I must be different, I would rather have a pup with brains enough to track a coon rather than tree just because its breeding says treeing is what its supposed to do. My Misty pup refuses to tree unless she tracks the coon to the tree, don't matter if the tree has the coon in it or not, if she don't smell it there she don't tree. IMO the biggest issue with hounds of any breed today is too much tree power bred into them. We all love a belly rubbing 120 bpm tree dog but if the dog can't track them to the tree then what good is that 120 bpm?

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You guys that want the track power and feel that a dog has to run a track to the tree my question to you is: if the coon are not moving, no tracks and the coon are laid up how does a track dog get treed?.........Tim

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I've been at this coon hunting thing for a very long time and always wondered how a dog actually lays up a coon. Now if there is no track on the ground and none on the side of the tree then how does the dog know which tree it is up? I know y'all say by winding it which makes sense but if the wind is blowing say 10 MPH from the north with no scent on the side of the tree tell me how that dog knows exactly where that scent is coming from? I know it will know which direction it is coming from but without scent on the tree where a dog can smell it, how can this be other than just narrowing it down to an aria. In other words, if there is no scent on the ground or on the side of the tree wouldn't we call that a slick treeing dog? I've had dogs tree coon that was laying out on a limb close to the ground and stand on they're hind feet and wind tree it but they wouldn't be on the tree it's self. I've had open trailing dogs that just fell treed with a coon that never opened on track but I believe they just was checking trees with some scent on them. Just some food for thought. Just answer some of the questions I have asked above.

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Its my belief if a coon is up a tree there would have to be some scent somewhere for it to get up there. May be old but some. The winding gets them close.JMO

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Its my belief if a coon is up a tree there would have to be some scent somewhere for it to get up there. May be old but some. The winding gets them close.JMO

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Its my belief if a coon is up a tree there would have to be some scent somewhere for it to get up there. May be old but some. The winding gets them close.JMO

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