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1 hour hunts would be a disaster . This not having time excuse is a bunch of crock . I work 40 hours in the winter and 50-70 hrs in the summer as a farmer . I still found time to keep My dog in shape . Finish him to grand .go from zero to PKC ch . The majority(not all) of the people pushing for 1 hour hunts are people tht just don't want to work hard enough. There are Ukc hunts all over the United States that do not draw enough dogs and dogs get finished to grand with little to no competition ...which is a joke ; so why would anyone push for 1 hr weeknight hunts and make it that much easier? Friggin ridiculous. Some people need to lay off the "week sauce" this is night hunting

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1 hour hunts would be a disaster . This not having time excuse is a bunch of crock . I work 40 hours in the winter and 50-70 hrs in the summer as a farmer . I still found time to keep My dog in shape . Finish him to grand .go from zero to PKC ch . The majority(not all) of the people pushing for 1 hour hunts are people tht just don't want to work hard enough. There are Ukc hunts all over the United States that do not draw enough dogs and dogs get finished to grand with little to no competition ...which is a joke ; so why would anyone push for 1 hr weeknight hunts and make it that much easier? Friggin ridiculous. Some people need to lay off the "week sauce" this is night hunting

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Most people think that way but that's not how farming works

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I truly understand the concern over titles. However, I feel that some shorter hunts would be benifical to people with health issues, the older generation, and for those who are not fortunate enough to have the weekends available. There's many ways to make shorter hunts work. Split the points, or limit the number of times a year you can enter a dog. I think all of us have gotten to caught up in what's best for OURSELVES and not what's best for the majority. I enjoy reading this post and everybodies opinion I think that by doing so we enlighten ourselves to others concerns etc.

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I truly understand the concern over titles. However, I feel that some shorter hunts would be benifical to people with health issues, the older generation, and for those who are not fortunate enough to have the weekends available. There's many ways to make shorter hunts work. Split the points, or limit the number of times a year you can enter a dog. I think all of us have gotten to caught up in what's best for OURSELVES and not what's best for the majority. I enjoy reading this post and everybodies opinion I think that by doing so we enlighten ourselves to others concerns etc.

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I think it would be nice if UKC made the hunts to suit each one of OUR needs but its not going to happen.It is what it is! I worked away from the house 10 months last year and still managed to hunt a little and get some wins on my young dog.

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I've never encountered the use of buckets in nite hunts at the surrounding clubs etc. Although I'm sure some do. This seems to be a wide spread problem according to post on here. What has happened to our ethics? I personally think the fellowship that comes along with nite hunts is the better part, winning a hunt / title is just the cherry on top. Lol People today are strange indeed, the upstanding pillar of the community sitting in the church pew next to ya could very well be the dishonest hunter Friday night. Seems like anything goes now days! Lol

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I've never encountered the use of buckets in nite hunts at the surrounding clubs etc. Although I'm sure some do. This seems to be a wide spread problem according to post on here. What has happened to our ethics? I personally think the fellowship that comes along with nite hunts is the better part, winning a hunt / title is just the cherry on top. Lol People today are strange indeed, the upstanding pillar of the community sitting in the church pew next to ya could very well be the dishonest hunter Friday night. Seems like anything goes now days! Lol

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Although we don't have the " bucket " problem locally I believe our main hurdle is everybodies different interpitation of the rules etc. We regularly hold the hunt test now and have been holding rule seminars in conduction with them. As people file in to register for the HTX they mostly sit and listen to the seminar. Lol It has really shocked us how many people now look forward to this.

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This is our new generation, thinking up ways to hunt less and get the same glory (titles). All the reasons, all the excuses, the bottom line is you guys just don't wanna hunt.

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Although we don't have the " bucket " problem locally I believe our main hurdle is everybodies different interpitation of the rules etc. We regularly hold the hunt test now and have been holding rule seminars in conduction with them. As people file in to register for the HTX they mostly sit and listen to the seminar. Lol It has really shocked us how many people now look forward to this.

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If one hour hunts are allowed on the weekends with only 1/2 the points toward a degree and/or 1/2 the performance points, clubs probably won't hold them anyway. The majority of hunters won't want to go to a one hour hunt when they will have the same expense but half the reward for only hunting one hour vs. two.

If UKC allows 1 hour hunts during the week along with a clubs regular weekend hunts and performance points are awarded at both types of hunts, it will hurt the attendance at weekend hunts, and it will decrease the amount paid per win on the performance program. More winners to divide out of the fund will decrease the average.

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I hunt both Kcs. so i hunt some one hour hunts. The 1 hour hunts are fun but sure arent much of a test of a dogs true ability.If a guy cant hunt 2 hours he probably oughta hang up his lead strap cause he probably doesnt have much on the end of it anyways.
What UKC. needs is a program that would reward the Grandnites for showing up. In my area once a dog is finished he becomes useless unless you hunt *kc.

It used to be a dogs value increased when he was titled, now they are worth more with just a win or two.

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John you make a good point!
Ok, next question. What do you think Can be done for those that can't hunt all nite due to age etc? I think the hunt test were a positive step in the right direction, is there anything else though?

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I hunt both Kcs. so i hunt some one hour hunts. The 1 hour hunts are fun but sure arent much of a test of a dogs true ability.If a guy cant hunt 2 hours he probably oughta hang up his lead strap cause he probably doesnt have much on the end of it anyways.
What UKC. needs is a program that would reward the Grandnites for showing up. In my area once a dog is finished he becomes useless unless you hunt *kc.

It used to be a dogs value increased when he was titled, now they are worth more with just a win or two.

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One of our Grand Nites hunted in 13 UKC hunts last year. There are hunts out there for Grands.

A couple of us were sitting around talking about this subject last night and we come to conclusion that the "Grand Nite Champion" title would not hold as much weight if there were to be 1 hour UKC hunts. No if, and or buts, it just wouldn't be the same.

I/we try to make as many local club hunts as possible because they need the support. If UKC goes to 1 hour hunts I'm not going to try near as hard. I'll save my money and only go to major UKC and PKC events.

Weekday hunts work in the other registries because of the different races they offer.

Just my thoughts

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Maybe UKC should hold some kind of race? I agree with both sides but lets come up with something!

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Years ago when we had 3 hour hunts, I had plenty of places to hunt that were big enough to hold 4 dogs. Now I have way less places to hunt and a 90 minute hunt would be more suitable for me to guide. It used to be easy to get several guides lined up at hunts even when the hunts were 3 hours. Now, I've had a hard time getting guides lined up for a 2 hour hunt and I hear the same reasons that I could give for not guiding a 2 hour cast. Eventually UKC and the clubs will be forced to shorten the time or give the option to shorten hunts. Now we can hunt 3 but almost every hunt is a 2 hour hunt.

Also, the points per win have stayed the same, other than it is only for cast winners now. Smaller hunts and a lot of people say that any decent dog can finish out now, where as when the hunts were bigger it was much tougher to put a title on a dog. Maybe UKC needs to change the point value. Let's say 25 points for a first, 20 for a second, 15 for a third, 10 for a fourth, and 5 for a 5th. Cast winners only and only 5 places if a hunt is smaller than 30 dogs as an example. Maybe go with 2 first places to make Night Champion. Also, more Nt Ch wins to make Grand Night. I'd almost bet that back when the hunts were bigger, you would have to win more casts to get 5 Nt Ch wins than you would have to win now to get 10 Nt Ch wins.

Also, years ago I seem to remember UKC discussing continuing on after a dog made Gr Nt with a Superior Grand Night title. Always thought that was a good idea but it didn't materialize for some reason or another.

If some of these type changes were made and the performance money was tied to putting a title on a dog, it might increase participation at the club level.

Just throwing some of that out there as options. Probably aren't the best, but they are just some possibilities that I thought of.

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You mean Something like an Extreme Event where the hunt last from sun down to sun up? Lord have mercy! I'm to out of shape that! Lol A few hours of wading through the swamps and jungles of Mississippi is about all I can handle. I come home looking like a swamp monster from all the skeeter bites, and cuts from saw briars as it is! Some of the places I hunt it takes half the night to walk across 100 acres.

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Like state races of some sort,not sayin like PKC or any other registry,as long as UKC has been around you'd think things would change with the times,the reason us younger guys want more is we WANNA hunt!

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Like state races of some sort,not sayin like PKC or any other registry,as long as UKC has been around you'd think things would change with the times,the reason us younger guys want more is we WANNA hunt!

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All this talk about one hour hunts is just talk i don't think this will ever happen i thank its a good idea their could be rules in place for half the points or to make ntch your first would need to be from a twwo hour hunt and to grand three or even four wins from a two hour hunt their are ways to preserve the title

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