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I've been hunting in competition for about 50 years and any mean dog or 50% dog I ever owned died of lead poisoning. You don't need one to fight back at a tree, just get out of the way of the alligators and they'll eventually get themselves scratched. The slick treeing is 100% the fault of the owner for putting up with and continuing to feed one of them. I've won Walker days, Autumn Oak, placed in the top 5 of a couple of world hunts and owned and buried a lot of worthless mutts. I've hunted with some of the top dogs of all time that were accurate and good natured, the majority of the people with the alligators and slick treers have exactly what they want, something they can win with and hell with everyone else.

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I've been hunting in competition for about 50 years and any mean dog or 50% dog I ever owned died of lead poisoning. You don't need one to fight back at a tree, just get out of the way of the alligators and they'll eventually get themselves scratched. The slick treeing is 100% the fault of the owner for putting up with and continuing to feed one of them. I've won Walker days, Autumn Oak, placed in the top 5 of a couple of world hunts and owned and buried a lot of worthless mutts. I've hunted with some of the top dogs of all time that were accurate and good natured, the majority of the people with the alligators and slick treers have exactly what they want, something they can win with and hell with everyone else.

Tom

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the way it sounds im not sure which is the gator. the handler or the dog

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All I'm trying to say if people were more honest about it you would find out there are a fare share of rough dogs out of any stud or gyp. And if you have no grit at all your not going very far in the majors. There's a big difference in cleaning a tree and staying treed. I won't feed a mean dog but I won't feed one that won't stay either.

I see nobody has answered the question about if someone slapped them what they would do. Would you expect the same from your dog?

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no he aint a 20,000 dog.. Figure of speech smart a$$ just sayin he is accurate. If he wasn't he wouldn't be here we don't walk these mountains to slick trees.

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My female out of Elvis is coming four and has never shown any aggression around the tree but I haven't hunted her with anything to give her a reason to either. For people to come on here and talk garbage about one stud dog is ridiculous. Every line of dogs out there have thier rough ones.

This would be like me stating that all Red dogs a rough or all blue dogs stand on thier head or all Plotts are hot nosed, get real people.

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I lived in the Chetek/Rice Lake area for 10 years right on the Red Cedar River, my sister still lives in Cable and I have a son near Cannon Falls Mn.

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If I was to smack you up the side of the head ,would you walk away or stand your ground? My guess 99% of the people would stand thier ground but expect dogs to walk away. You keep thinking the way you do and you'll waste alot of money at the major hunts. I use to think like you and got no where but did have alot of vet bills. I refuse to be beat in a hunt that way again. Mine better be where I tree them regardless when i arrive or somebody else will be feeding them.

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i want a gritty dog that will be at that tree when i get there come hell or high water he does not have to fight he can just move around a tree and stay away from the dog and give it his space but if he has to fight because a gator came in on him i want him to just about kill that dog enyone who hunts with me will tell you i want hunt a gator but i want hunt a dog with no grit eather now does my dog face bark of course same with enybody else who has a stay put tree dog will my dog fight yes he will but will he jump on a young dog when it comes in on him no he want will he jump on a dog jacken the tree and it jacks and falls on him yes he will but like frank said thats like someone slappen him in the face he is a big baby my lil neices pull on his ears and tails and his cod sack at one time he just didnt pay no attention to him but he will hold his ground when it comes to it.

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would you breed a guys female knowing that she has some genes that increase the chance the pups turn out ill ?
i think i will pass on breeding her to my dog..

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I've owned two Elvis dogs out of different females and never seen anthing close to mean out of them ,so yes I would only if she is a coondog. This never stopped people from breeding to known rough studs in the past. Red Eagle Dick wasn't an absolute angel.

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i would also toe cutter female never gets blamed is always the stud dog.

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or you could but kinda already have a heads up not to breed close on her side and breed her side out if you want to line breed but still could get ill dogs its a gamble eather way but better to be safe then sorry if its a young stud your tryen to campaigne but your liable to breed to a lipper female and get ill pups also

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i want a gritty dog that will be at that tree when i get there come hell or high water he does not have to fight he can just move around a tree and stay away from the dog and give it his space but if he has to fight because a gator came in on him i want him to just about kill that dog enyone who hunts with me will tell you i want hunt a gator but i want hunt a dog with no grit eather now does my dog face bark of course same with enybody else who has a stay put tree dog will my dog fight yes he will but will he jump on a young dog when it comes in on him no he want will he jump on a dog jacken the tree and it jacks and falls on him yes he will but like frank said thats like someone slappen him in the face he is a big baby my lil neices pull on his ears and tails and his cod sack at one time he just didnt pay no attention to him but he will hold his ground when it comes to it.

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haha thanks i really do believe to compete in the big boy hunts like in pkc where there is alot of money being handed out you need a dog that will stay at that tree nomatter what happens at that tree he will not and should not leave a tree if he does he is just as worthless as the gator dog and i dont believe most dogs that get called gators are gators if you can throw him in a pen with another dog and him not doing nothing he is not a gator.

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8 out 10 dogs today are lucky to be 50 % accurate regardless what stud they are out of so what you are saying don't really mean alot.

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i have found out that compition hunting a dog especially a male dog will change most of there attitudes.i have a friend that made his a nt.ch. and he said that is as far as he is going with him because he didn't want to make him mean.he is 7 yrs ol now and he shows no sign of being mean.this dog's mother was by elvis.

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Pkc and money have made all you coonhunters breed your walkers to tree trees instead of tree coons.

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why would you want dogs to fight at a tree?i dont understand the term yall use hold his own?or he is not a push over?the one that started the fight should be shot.he is more worried about fighting than getting on the tree and treeing.so regardless of how many coons he trees if he wont let another dog tree with him he should be disposed of not breed to him 200 times because he has a all grand pedigree and produce more mean walkers

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Pkc and money have made all you coonhunters breed your walkers to tree trees instead of tree coons.

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dont get me wrong ive hunted with alot of good walkers on coon and bear.but in the last 10 years i have hunted with very few that had brains cold trailing ability and acurracy.they just take off in a dead run go about a 1 mile deep then lock up on a tree all bug eyed and try to kill everything that trys to honor them

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Pkc and money have made all you coonhunters breed your walkers to tree trees instead of tree coons.

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yeah pkc does have that rule i think were onces that dog is declared treed in 30 seconds that tree is closed but if a dog comes to cover that dog he still gets 100 points as long as he isnt handled on that tree i could be wrong though

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dont get me wrong ive hunted with alot of good walkers on coon and bear.but in the last 10 years i have hunted with very few that had brains cold trailing ability and acurracy.they just take off in a dead run go about a 1 mile deep then lock up on a tree all bug eyed and try to kill everything that trys to honor them

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yeah pkc does have that rule i think were onces that dog is declared treed in 30 seconds that tree is closed but if a dog comes to cover that dog he still gets 100 points as long as he isnt handled on that tree i could be wrong though

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