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I got it all!!!

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Originally posted by jculler8


Also, in your number crunching, you forgot the fact that money is compounding annually and more dogs pay into the program than what is collected. (Very few dogs that pay in actually reward out).

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Originally posted by JiM
Well, I may be wrong but I sure thought UKC always told us the fund was totally paid out at the end of each year (minus the 10% they keep for clerical costs) so nothing was left over from year to year. In other words, Jan 1st starts with nothing in the pot. But I might be wrong about that.

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Here's a HIGH SCHOOL math teacher with a logical proposition for the program at its birth: (hypothetically speaking)

Year 1: $1,000,000 into the pot between sire, litter and pup registration, no pay out or very little because pups are too young to win. Compounding interest on the account.

Year 2: another $1,000,000 in the pot and 25% of total is paid out at the end of year 2. (Dogs are just becoming old enough to really earn).

Year 3: 2point max cap, with another$1,000,000 in the pot. So $1.5 mil from previous 2years plus $1 mil this year for a total of $2.5 mil, not counting interest. Payout 75% at the end of year 3 and continue to compound, so 8 year old dogs earning points down the road do not deplete the program's point value.

Year 4: there's $1.875 mil plus whatever the program has grown to in the pot collecting annually and pay out 110% of year's premium.

Problem solved?

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You guys seem to miss the point of these programs. First of all comparing All Grand to a nominated pup shows just how far off base you really are because All Grand refers to a level that was earned by the dogs ancestors. PRP and SS are something that is just simply bought. Any numbscull pup can be paidup no matter how totally worthless they are. That a pup is PRP and/or SS says absolutely nothing about that pup itself. So it ISN'T like comparing a Caddy to a Ford, it isn't a comparison at all. The reason so many won't feed any pup that isn't paid up is because they prolly consider it wasteful to spend time, effort and money to develope a pup that isn't eligible to earn all that money and that will NEVER be worth as much as one that IS eligible. I don't know anyone that would buy a pup that wasn't PRP nominated but I'm sure many do.

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Originally posted by JiM
You guys seem to miss the point of these programs. First of all comparing All Grand to a nominated pup shows just how far off base you really are because All Grand refers to a level that was earned by the dogs ancestors. PRP and SS are something that is just simply bought. Any numbscull pup can be paidup no matter how totally worthless they are. That a pup is PRP and/or SS says absolutely nothing about that pup itself. So it ISN'T like comparing a Caddy to a Ford, it isn't a comparison at all. The reason so many won't feed any pup that isn't paid up is because they prolly consider it wasteful to spend time, effort and money to develope a pup that isn't eligible to earn all that money and that will NEVER be worth as much as one that IS eligible. I don't know anyone that would buy a pup that wasn't PRP nominated but I'm sure many do.

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Compounded interest/10% clerical fees.
Sounds like double dippin to me!!!!
Thers our potential increase in point value.
Compounded interest!
Wish they would distribute the interest bac to us!
Instead they raise r fees, to up the point value!
JTOL.

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Originally posted by Dogwhisper
Compounded interest/10% clerical fees.
Sounds like double dippin to me!!!!
Thers our potential increase in point value.
Compounded interest!
Wish they would distribute the interest bac to us!
Instead they raise r fees, to up the point value!
JTOL.

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He betr not! Not going to bear interest lok up in his office.
Don't think Cavanaugh is that dumb.

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I think we should get something outta it for showing to. We should set up a non performance pup program

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What was the point value ending 2012 that will be used for the payouts?

Are RQE and world events the only events excluded from the performance program?

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