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Dwilson
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Re: Kayapellijed 390

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Originally posted by woopy44
You would'nt be bs ing a little would you , You need to read the guys post before you jump him for being a whinner , No one is trying to take away your traping rights , He is trying to stick up for all our rights to hunt hounds...OOO and by the way i am 6 ft.7in 225 pounds worked out with wieghts my whole life and i can not just reach down and take a dogs foot out of a #2 double spring trap....You must have some tough dogs....Do they still have teeth L.O.L.

Haha that's sad I know a 12 year old boy that can set a no. 2 with his hands.

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tylerman
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If you 1 time ever set a live trap to catch a coon....to train your dog or to release it....you have set a trap...dont matter how you justify it.If you did it with out a trapping lic...you broke the law...if you did it outa season...you broke the law.Throw the 1st stone.

if you think signs will help then lets say everytime you or mine dogs follows a coon on to posted ground and we have to retrieve we pay a hefty fine.

they shouldnt have to deal with me and I shouldnt have to deal with them?

Or we all buy that land and control it completly for ourselves?

where does it stop?

traps are not set all yr....I can run dogs bout all yr.

NEVER-ever have I seen a dog damaged by a foot hold.Hear lots of storys but no truth or fact.Fact is it is usually another cause that gets the blame.If you are responsible you will have a tracking device and get to your dog quickly and release it.If you cant set or release a dog from a fox or coyote trap with your hand that is sad...but at least use your feet.

I have live trapped coyotes for release and had no damage-can you believe it-no damage after hrs in the trap...caught free roaming dogs-those that never leave our yard....guess what no damage.

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Bobby Reynolds
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Re: Kayapellijed 390

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Originally posted by woopy44
You would'nt be bs ing a little would you , You need to read the guys post before you jump him for being a whinner , No one is trying to take away your traping rights , He is trying to stick up for all our rights to hunt hounds...OOO and by the way i am 6 ft.7in 225 pounds worked out with wieghts my whole life and i can not just reach down and take a dogs foot out of a #2 double spring trap....You must have some tough dogs....Do they still have teeth L.O.L.

Been setting # 2 and # 3 longsprings and coil springs since I was a teenager with bare hands. I have never lifted weights and I only am 158lbs.

I have trappers around me that really sling the steal. I don't like it. But it is their right and I do respect it. It does stop me from hunting in certain areas around here. I trapped fox and coyotes for years. I never ever took a fox or a coyote out of a trap that had a broken leg. Not saying that it wouldn't or couldn't happen, but not as some would make it out to be. Unless caught in a conibear trap, a drowning set, or left in a trap for a long period of time, your dog will most likely suffer nothing more than a sore foot. Most catches are across the pads of the feet, not on the up on the leg.
Yes, I have caught a couple of dogs. That is just part of the game. But 2 dogs in over 23 years of trapping just shows it doesn't happen as much as you think, but it does happen. Both had name plates and was taken home to the owners. Both of them thanked me. One was a high dollar hound caught near an interstate and the owner even tried to give me gas money for bringing him home. It's something we have to live with and fighting about it won't solve anything. JMO

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tylerman
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No foot damage

2 at a time-no foot damge

3 at a time-no foot damage

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tylerman
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no feet damaged...no legs falling off...no vet bills...no chewed off legs....

wives tales is what they call half truths

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Wes D.
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dont thank this post was meant to put down responsible trappers. they arent the worry its the irresponsible people putting traps out of season,oversized traps, deadlock snares, connobears set illegaly. not everyone reads the laws and abides by them. ive came along plenty of traps with no names. its those people you hafta watch out for. thats my opinion anyway people always jump the gun on here and put people down you realy gota explain yourself good or people take anythang you say wrong.

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tylerman
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Traps outa season?-never hear of it around hee unless someone is catching coons to train a dog?

When you enjoy more than one sport you are educated in more than 1 point of view-the better a man knows the sport usually comes a man that knows the truth...not a view...but the real truth.....landowners complain way more around here about people tresspassing with coon and coyote dogs and deer hunters-sneaking in than any or all combined trappers....IN ANY SPORT---each and every-there are thieves cheats and liars...and jealousy along with ignorance totes itself right along.

But let each cast the 1st stone....follow the complaint it usually goes to someone with their own concerns 1st-selfishness.

when I hear of dogs lost or damaged it is fence-car or being shot by a land owner or renter---heck a state cop shot a pair on state land behind his house in Kentucky was it?Way more to worry about than your chances with another sportman.

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C.D.
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After catching tons of 8-10 pound foxes and selling them to running pens with no foot damage,it seems odd to think a 50 pound hound would break its leg.
Very few trapping seasons last longer than a couple months and I can run my dogs all year so it seems fair to me.

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TRAPS

ANY OF YOU GUYS THAT TRAP ?.....DO YOU RUN YOUR HOUNDS WHERE YOU TRAP.??

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tylerman
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Sure, if they are running coon they are not going to be sniffing around looking for bait or lure-but if you got a pup or a poor hound that isnt got focus on hunt you may have some problems....Ill tell you this once a canine gets caught and you let it out ...it will be darn hard to catch again...truthfully I dont catch many hounds...usually free roaming or underfed dogs....If I loose a trap with a yote at night I pretty sure who took it...in the day bet on that too-sometimes they shoot it and leave it-like maybe I should shoot their buck and leave it lay for them...even had indians arrow my yote and say...I didnt know it was in a trap....

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Re: Kayapellijed 390

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You would'nt be bs ing a little would you , You need to read the guys post before you jump him for being a whinner , No one is trying to take away your traping rights , He is trying to stick up for all our rights to hunt hounds...OOO and by the way i am 6 ft.7in 225 pounds worked out with wieghts my whole life and i can not just reach down and take a dogs foot out of a #2 double spring trap....You must have some tough dogs....Do they still have teeth L.O.L.

If you can't work the springs on a #2, you better start working with more weights.

I set a #2 off on my fingers in high school for a demonstration in my ag class. It didnt do much more than sting.

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Also if someone is using large foot traps, like a 4 or larger that are not offset jaws, they can cause some damage, but they are illegal in most states unless they are under water.

and I never liked 220 bucket sets either. They can kill a dog. But there are far fewer traps to hurt a dog than ones that will.

I did some reserach after I had a dog caught early in the season. Most of the time you can figure out who the traps belong to and talk to them. It will help when fur prices go back down. Most people don't love to trap enough unless fur is worth alot.

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Also if someone is using large foot traps, like a 4 or larger that are not offset jaws, they can cause some damage, but they are illegal in most states unless they are under water.

and I never liked 220 bucket sets either. They can kill a dog. But there are far fewer traps to hurt a dog than ones that will.

I did some reserach after I had a dog caught early in the season. Most of the time you can figure out who the traps belong to and talk to them. It will help when fur prices go back down. Most people don't love to trap enough unless fur is worth alot.

Just so you know a trap with offset jaws doesn't impact the leg or damage an animals foot any less than a trap with regular jaws. The purpose of the offset jaws is to allow the trap levers to raise higher on the jaws of the trap giving it more holding power. Offset jaws actually put more pressure on a foot than traps with regular jaws. Don't believe me take two traps of the same brand and size, one with offset jaws and one with regular jaws, and set each if them off with the same size dowel rod or stick and look at the postion of the levers. The trap with the offset jaws will be able to close further than the trap with regular jaws. The closer the jaws get together the further up the levers can ride on the jaws, the stronger the hold on the critter.

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Not usually on this side of the board but this post caught my I.
Last Monday we had one of best Grand Hunting Beagle Champions caught and killed in the snare at one of of favorite running spots. The snare was not tagged with a name and phone# nor did it have a stop on it. Dog had been missing for about an hour before my son located him, 100 yds from the truck dead. We caught this individual on Friday as he was pulling into check his trap line. Needless to say WV DNR did their part in issueing the citations but it don't bring my dog back. It's alot of time and money we put into our hounds, whether coonhounds or rabbit dogs in making them a Grand Night Champion or a Grand Hunting Beagle Champion. What recourse do I have in recooping my lose other than taking this individual to civil court and sueing? I'll bet if we do win the case we'll only get a fraction of what's been invested.

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This has been an age old battle for years and years. Two different hunters hunting the same thing in two different ways, of course one is going to bitch about the other. I just won't hunt where someone is trapping. If my hound gets somewhere where there are traps, all you can do is hope for the best. I worry more about vehicles than I do conibears.

I have been fishing and hunting every walk of life since I was a little kid, and more and more I have realized that there is no more self-centered human being than an outdoorsman. Sure some are easy going, support their sport, encourage others, and are happy when someone else has a good day/night, but for the most part greed and bitterness are more prevalent than the sheer enjoyment of the sport.

This may not refer to you, but I'm sure someone you know:

-hound hunters will knowingly hunt land they don't have permission to hunt and then blame it on the hounds and will publicly bash someone else's hounds just to turn a buck with there own

-deer hunters are all friendly until there is a big buck spotted in the area, then they are cut-throat and will call a warden on a family member just out of spite

-water fowl hunters will whine and cry about blind locations on public land when they could move just as easily as the next guy

-fishermen will give false reports to wardens about someone else's catch limit just because they are in the spot they wanted to fish

-pheasant/grouse hunters will tell tall tales about numbers a party will take will so they won't get permission on a hunting spot again

and the list could go on and on....

Why not just enjoy your sport? Everyone wants to worry about the activities of others and demand rules and regulations to get their way, well one day you may just get all the regulations you can handle. Then you can tell your grandchildren how, "We used to hunt with hounds, but everyone pushed regulations between trappers and hound hunters, and now it isn't legal. Ah yes, those were the days."

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I also have seen a huge increase in trapping in my part of Missouri. I have nothing against traps or trapping, but there is a few things around here that really bothers me. First of all trappers around don't get permission they trap the road ditches, where I guess is free game. Where the land owner who traps or the guy who has permission to trap the land on both sides of the road has to compete with the lazy ######### who won't go and get permission. Also the trappers around here have no regard to overharvesting. They trap until they are gone then move on. Our coon and cat population is way low right now from over harvesting and the ease of road right away trapping where according to trappers is public trapping. I don't know for sure but if treed a coon on the rightaway and shot it I would geta ticket, but iI guess it is legal for trappers.

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The comment about footholds not doing damage is as bunch of BS.Ive trapped for years and caught a many yote and fox.Ive used a lot of different style traps and even with the weak#2 2 coil Duke Ive seen toes taken completely off and several broken bones in feet on yotes.If you have a dog with cat like feet I can gurantee you that the chance of doing some serious damage is high but the goal of serious trapper is not to catch off game and you shouldnt unless you are using illegal sets or trapping on a carcass.I don't want to see trapping go away but they are some things that need to change in the sport.Here are few things that need to change now.All snares need to have choke stops on them.I use them,why cant everybody else.I caught a beagle with a fox snare that had a choke stop,the guy knew me and he called and thanked me.Connibears should be used as water sets only.Im not trapping right now but as soon as this weather down here turns back cold I might try to catch a cat or 2.

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I had my first dog get caught in a trap about a month ago. IT was a 6 month old pup. I heard the sucker barking in the middle of a field and thought it was digging in a hole. I am not a trapper by any means and don't know much about it, but I just walked up, told the dog to shut the H up, depressed the trap and away it went, no fuss at all. Dog may have gimped for maybe 5-10 steps then it was fine.

I am glad people are trapping yotes and other predators, just way to many of them. If a dog gets caught it gets caught. I would rather it not be killed in a conabear, but if so, what am I going to do about it? Life as a dog that gets hunted is risky and I know that. Its just part of it.

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Larry Atherton
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Mr. Shipman,

Around here the trappers often police themselves. I know several who will call a CO quicker than any one on an illegally set trap.

In fact, they will tell you that such an individual is not a trapper. That individual is a poacher!

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KAYAPELLIJED390........I trap and hunt! All of you guys bitching and moaning about traps are a bunch of whinners. The only trap that is gonna hurt your dog is a 220 conibear or a snare with a kill spring on it. I was hunting earlier this fall and the dogs got treed on a den on the shore of a public lake. When I got to the tree I noticed my Sandy dog was sitting down treeing nit standing on the wood like normal, I thought that is odd, until I joticed her paw was caught in a #2 coilspring. she never missed a beat treeing, and I bent down and let her loose and she was right back to jormal standing on the wood. My young male was on the other side of the tree with his back leg caught in a trap as well. He was treeing and then every so often he would turn and lick his foot. I let him out and hunted the rest of the night. No big deal. Another time I had a coyote set a half mile out behind the house, I only checked that set every two days ( per SD. regulations) well one night my beagle wasn't around at feeding time. I just figured she was out chasing bunniesin the grove, next night I found her in my coyote set, which by the way was a big #2 bridger fourcoiled coyote slaying piece of iron, cut her loose and she limped for two days and was all better. No big deal. Nothing out there is gonna hurt your dog except a 220 conibear or a kill spring snare. Get along and knock off the whinning, we need to band together as sportsman, and furharvesters, or pretty soon all of this tradition is gonna disappear.

Originally posted by woopy44
You would'nt be bs ing a little would you , You need to read the guys post before you jump him for being a whinner , No one is trying to take away your traping rights , He is trying to stick up for all our rights to hunt hounds...OOO and by the way i am 6 ft.7in 225 pounds worked out with wieghts my whole life and i can not just reach down and take a dogs foot out of a #2 double spring trap....You must have some tough dogs....Do they still have teeth L.O.L.

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Ok I guess i forgot to say knelt down, then bent over and unsnap them, it doesnt take much downward pressure on the levers and the foot will pop right out. Piece of cake. As a matter of fact, I let young coons and cats out by hooking a hog catch pole around theirhead then stretching their bodie as far from the trap as I can and the stepping on the pole with one foot, then just reach down and unsnap them. I really cannot fathom what on earth you struggle with when trying to release a critter or dog from a trap. Piece of cake.

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Re: TRAPS

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DONT BE SILLY IF YOU READ I SAID REACH DOWN AND TAKE A DOGS FOOT OUT
NO WHERE DID I SAY ANYTHING ABOUT SETTEN A TRAP
LITTLE DIFFERENT AINT IT........ [/B][/QUOTE]

Yes it is. Now I am going to make this statement as a opinion so there is no arguement about it. This is just my opinion after realeasing more than one dog. It is easier to release a dog from a trap than it is to set a trap. The trap springs do not have to be fully depressed to release a dog. The only way it is harder is if the dog is trying to fight you.

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Okay, so if there is a dog proof trap, why don't they use them?

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i have had a couple of dogs that went nuts while in a trap and will bite anything close. i found if you cover ther head up with a coat they calm down and you can get them out.

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