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I don't think there's a TOP line of blue dogs out there right now and record books show it,I do believe several lines have ALOT to offer you just gota mix it up to your likings!

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How do you define a TOP line of Blue dogs? What record books are you referring to? You have me curious...........Tim

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A line of consistent winners,several dogs from 1 line winning consistently at top levels,not 1 or 2 winning once in awhile,record books? World hunt records?autom oaks records? I'm not putting ANY line down but I don't believe anybody can come on here and say they have a dominant line of blue dogs!

This is just MY OPINION nobody has to agree with it or even like it but it's just that MY OPINION!

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If I understand you right a Blood line can not be a top bloodline unless it has won either The World or Autumn Oaks? What about hunts where Blueticks hunt mainly against other Blueticks like BBOA National, Grand National, Ashland, Fall Roundup, Zone Hunts and Bluetick sectionals? These don't count? I see where you changed from TOP to DOMINATE. I could dominate with a babbling loose mouth me too tree barker if I was so inclined to hunt one.

My opinion of a TOP bloodline is one that has stood the test of time and won CONSISTANTLY where it has been hunted. Not just one dog but many different ones over the years. A TOP Bloodline is one that hunters talk about how well the dogs do, not how well they were HANDELED. I feel a Top Line produces consistant COON dogs not COMPETITION dogs. A "coon dog" will tree coon alone or with company but can that be said of all competition dogs?

These are my opinions and not directed towards any one person, just some food for thought...........Tim

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Winning the world hunt or any other hunt makes a line a top line it's a record book like you asked,to many people stare down a tunnel and see what there winning only,I personally don't see winning in just breed hunts and winning just breed hunts makes a TOP or DOMINANT line of dogs but its 1 he'll of a start,I don't feel that dogs that get bred to death for years producing winners here and there are TOP or DOMINANT lines either!

To the original question I do believe we got ALOT to offer in the breed you just gotta be willing to do what ya gotta do to get what you want!

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I guess all I can say to your comments is go buy a walker dog if winning the world or other large hunts is what make a top line and let them boys here your dumb*** statements.

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I agree with Tim on bloodlines, you can look at the pedigree on about any hound there promoting. They have their basic line on one side of the pedigree and at times have searched out for top individuals from other lines. Rather that decision proves to be good or bad they have continued to promote the blue hounds. Some folks won't hunt anything but their line of hounds and you can't pour one on other folks. The same can be said about the Hammer, Utchman, Northern, Smokey River or other lines of blue hounds.

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Blueticker I was kinda with you until the last statement. I know good and bad about any line but to say Warren wouldn't go out of the box is a little not true. I've known of a breeder that went totally out of that box and bought a whole litter one time and didn't want the papers, he'd put his own on them. That breeder is not Warren Haslouer. I understand Max in his thinking, but Tim, your right also. If your not pleased with what you've got then go, but, like Tim, he can almost crossbreed back to his own stock. Those old dogs don't go away, their just resting!

You can probably find at least 100 different recipes on chili. But then you find out the first might be same as the last, just crossed up alittle on the same stuff. Some are content with what they have and others are still looking. But, there's always a base. No exceptions, breeders know where they can step back and get a little of this or that back, making for some good chili!!!ha

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cross breeding within the blood, we can and we do...........Tim

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ever notice how a thread that starts about one thing always ends up on another subject? lol just saying

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Just curious put the line breeding aside how many on here would be willing to breed to a hound that may not be well known. Let's say you have been to some hunts with some of their pups and they are impressive and do all the right things at all the right times but yet you never heard of their parents. Just my experience but i've been in cast where people will ask what's that hound out of and you tell them and they'll say dang their nice but that's where the interest stops cause they don't have old whats their face as a parent. I just think it's dang shame that so many people turn their back on a dog cause their not a dog that everyone hears about. JMO.

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Thats how lines start, you have something that others don't have, you continue to make crosses, keep impressing hunters by having coondogs and winning hunts, and before long people will be wanting some of what you have. They will say I want some of that blood that Jason hunts. You may be able to accomplish this in 20 or 30 yrs. Something to work for..........Tim

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Just curious put the line breeding aside how many on here would be willing to breed to a hound that may not be well known. Let's say you have been to some hunts with some of their pups and they are impressive and do all the right things at all the right times but yet you never heard of their parents. Just my experience but i've been in cast where people will ask what's that hound out of and you tell them and they'll say dang their nice but that's where the interest stops cause they don't have old whats their face as a parent. I just think it's dang shame that so many people turn their back on a dog cause their not a dog that everyone hears about. JMO.

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Tim your right at creating your own line theory. I've been coon hunting since i was 6 so been at this for 32 years. I'm not a breeder nor wish to be one. You guys that have your own lines my hats off to ya it's a lot work. I grew up hunting just about every breed but mainly walkers. The one thing that i do see a lot of let's say i'm hunting a Mad Dog Male i crossed him twice and his pups are doing very well hide and comp hunts. Now someone ask what's them pups out of their told instead going to their daddy they see Mad Dog they go to another Mad Dog bred male cause that male may have won a bigger hunt or So So owns him and it's a little easier for them to get rid of the pups even though you may not get the same quality of pups as the lesser known male. But your right you got to get out get your name known and your dogs known and never hurts specially if you breed for yourself to have 4 or 5 friends to help push your dogs in the hunts cause who's hands you get your pups in is just as important as what your breeding.

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There currently is 7 GR NT CH Mad Dog males scattered from Wisc to Alabama. Each one has proved that they can win in the hunts Big and Small, at home or on the road. Some of these males are reproducing well and some do not have pups old enough to be sure how they will reproduce. Most of the owners purchased a Mad Dog first then became friends later, they liked what they had and continued to breed within the bloodline. If we find a bloodline that compliments ours we will try to bring that BLOOD in to improve what we have. A person needs to be open minded and be able to give credit where credit is deserved. I believe a dog reproduces their ancestors, parents, grand parents, great grand parents, so if you keep the type of dogs that you are wanting, in the bloodline, you have a better chance of success. Not every body likes the same type of dogs, that is why there are several different bloodlines. What might be thought of as a Top Hound in one bloodline might be culled in another...........Tim

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First off if your going to use the Term dominant you have to Identify rather you are referring to the coon hound world as a whole (all breeds) or the Bluetick breed, In regards to the Bluetick breed the world hunt is not a factor because we have no blue bloodline that holds that title, so we don,t have that on our record books, as far as the other Major hunts there has not been a line in the bluetick breed that you could say has dominated those as well, so again not a factor in determining top lines, so that leaves us with our breed hunts as Tim specified, so if your going to use hunt winning formats to determine the top lines we would really only be qualified as a breed to use our breed hunts, so what line would you say is one of the top contender,s for the title, you disagree ok! 2012 ukc world hunt how many dogs from different lines went to the semis, Tim correct me if I am wrong but I think there were 4 Mad Dog hounds qualified in 2012.....Gerald

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As much as I hate to even think about agreeing with Gerald!!!!

LOL.... You know I'm just kidding.....

Gerald has a good idea of breaking down wins within our Bluetick line, but I must remind him that Sparetime Spanky is the only Bluetick that can claim "World Champion Title". This win was before there was a UKC World Championship.

And yes Tim is absolutly right, the Mad-Dogs have done more than their share of winning. Almost everydog that I have came through the Mad-Dogs, by way of Mad-Dog Spanky, the direct son of Sparetime Spanky.

Gerald, you know what Rowdy was like, Go-Yonder and get treed. So I have to say thank you to Tim and Paul for all they have done for the breed.

But, there are also, Bullet breed dogs, Echo breed dogs, Smokey River breed dogs, Uchtman breed dogs, Hammer breed dogs, Jet breed dogs, that I have hunted with that are just as good of examples of track driving, coon treeding dogs.

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First off if your going to use the Term dominant you have to Identify rather you are referring to the coon hound world as a whole (all breeds) or the Bluetick breed, In regards to the Bluetick breed the world hunt is not a factor because we have no blue bloodline that holds that title, so we don,t have that on our record books, as far as the other Major hunts there has not been a line in the bluetick breed that you could say has dominated those as well, so again not a factor in determining top lines, so that leaves us with our breed hunts as Tim specified, so if your going to use hunt winning formats to determine the top lines we would really only be qualified as a breed to use our breed hunts, so what line would you say is one of the top contender,s for the title, you disagree ok! 2012 ukc world hunt how many dogs from different lines went to the semis, Tim correct me if I am wrong but I think there were 4 Mad Dog hounds qualified in 2012.....Gerald

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I WOULDN'T SAY ANY LINE HAS DOMINATED THE BLUETICK WORLD PERIOD!!!

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I don't believe any one is getting defensive, just pointing out facts. You are right there are no Top lines in the Bluetick Breed with your defination of Top. Others may have a different defination of Top. The way I describe a top bloodline is one that wins hunt after hunt for years, generations and decades. Not one dog winning one BIG hunt, but many dogs winning many hunts. To me one dog is not a bloodline, it's just one dog.......Tim

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My point proven AGAIN,as a breed are we lookin to just be top turd on the **** pile?

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