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Oh I forgot........CBS reported......

.The Debt rose $4.899 trillion during the two terms of the Bush presidency. It has now gone up $4.939 trillion since President Obama took office.
I guess thats how they give more than they take in.
Just a little tidbit of info........Oklahoma has a law in place which requires no debt....aka... not spending more than you have. Imagine that .

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Your post makes no sense ,it was more about cleaning up the mess than the truth but that was expected. Thanks truly,mis-mang.naw but shows how the states depend on gov.and that's just the tip of the iceberg. Once again these post by the romney voters proves why they lost.

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NO, INDIAN RESERVATIONS MY FRIEND, SOVERIEN NATIONS

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The Indians might have gotten the shaft back in the day , but they got a pretty good deal now .... they got a monopoly on cigarettes and casinos .... don't pay taxes on it .. almost like a miniature China in our own backyard .

No other conquered people have ever gotten that sweet of a deal ... or the deal that allows minorities and immigrants so many benefits when it comes to education and starting businesses.

When you look at the big picture , not sure how anyone can say America has treated other races wrong now that the dust has settled.


It don't excuse sins of the past , but hard to swallow any nonsense about the present.

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That is completely false. Here is a list of states in order, how much money they get back compared to each dollar that they pay in.
New Mexico $2.03
Mississippi $2.02
Alaska $1.84
Louisiana $1.78
West Va $1.76
N. Dakota $1.68
Alabama $1.53
S. Dakota $1.53
Kentucky $1.51
Virginia $1.51
Montana $1.47
Hawaii $1.44
Maine $1.41
Arkansas $1.41
Oklahoma $1.36
S. Carolina $1.35
Missouri $1.32
Maryland $1.30
Tennessee $1.27
Idaho $1.21
Arizona $1.19
Kansas $1.12
Wyoming $1.11
Iowa $1.10
Nebraska $1.10
Vermont $1.08
N. Carolina $1.08
Pennsylvania $1.07
Utah $1.07
Indiana $1.05
Ohio $1.05
Georgia $1.01
Rhode Island $1.00
Florida $.97
Texas $.94
Oregon $.93
Michigan $.92
Washington $.88
Wisconsin $.86
MA $.82
Colorado $.81
Delaware $.77
Illinois $.75
Minnesota $.72
NH $.71
CT $.69
Nevada $.65
New Jersey $.61
This list is a few years old, data comes in slow on some of these numbers. But note that Oklahoma gets $1.36 back for every dollar sent to the Feds. Now you have a little better feel for which states are the moocher states.

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That is completely false. Here is a list of states in order, how much money they get back compared to each dollar that they pay in.
New Mexico $2.03
Mississippi $2.02
Alaska $1.84
Louisiana $1.78
West Va $1.76
N. Dakota $1.68
Alabama $1.53
S. Dakota $1.53
Kentucky $1.51
Virginia $1.51
Montana $1.47
Hawaii $1.44
Maine $1.41
Arkansas $1.41
Oklahoma $1.36
S. Carolina $1.35
Missouri $1.32
Maryland $1.30
Tennessee $1.27
Idaho $1.21
Arizona $1.19
Kansas $1.12
Wyoming $1.11
Iowa $1.10
Nebraska $1.10
Vermont $1.08
N. Carolina $1.08
Pennsylvania $1.07
Utah $1.07
Indiana $1.05
Ohio $1.05
Georgia $1.01
Rhode Island $1.00
Florida $.97
Texas $.94
Oregon $.93
Michigan $.92
Washington $.88
Wisconsin $.86
MA $.82
Colorado $.81
Delaware $.77
Illinois $.75
Minnesota $.72
NH $.71
CT $.69
Nevada $.65
New Jersey $.61
This list is a few years old, data comes in slow on some of these numbers. But note that Oklahoma gets $1.36 back for every dollar sent to the Feds. Now you have a little better feel for which states are the moocher states.

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Good post,Truly! American history is on your side!!

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Am I wrong or is it just that I was public school educated....


If my state got back .92 for the $1 that we sent in, didn't we really lose .08?

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truly got his info where?
Also, there are many factors that must be considered when showing what those funds are used for....defense spending, medicaid (New Mexico..... Some 22.53% of the population was on Medicaid — the fourth highest percentage in the nation — which is funded through the Department of Human Services).

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It's not gonna happen. Sorry some of you really believed that snake water salesman. lol!!

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I SAW THERE'S A PETITION TO GET "O" TO UNSEAL ALL OF HIS RECORDS. THAT OUGHT TO GET ALOT OF SIGNERS!!!!

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A petition you should have gotten on romney so you would've known him and Obama will go in history as the 44th pres.,you'll never see his records.lol!!

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Please cite your source. I would like to look at it. If you want your argument to be credible you need to cite your info.

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I SAW THERE'S A PETITION TO GET "O" TO UNSEAL ALL OF HIS RECORDS. THAT OUGHT TO GET ALOT OF SIGNERS!!!!

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truly got his info where?
Also, there are many factors that must be considered when showing what those funds are used for....defense spending, medicaid (New Mexico..... Some 22.53% of the population was on Medicaid — the fourth highest percentage in the nation — which is funded through the Department of Human Services).

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Truly,

If you take into account the overall cost of ownership of these federal dollars, the cost is much more than the $1.00 sent to the federal government. There is all of the federal regulation that costs the states to enforce. It's a proven fact that states do a whole lot better taking care of it's citizens, in a whole lot more efficiently than the the federal government....

I was taught in business school that there are three different types of lies....
1. Lies
2. Dang lies
3. Statistics

Numbers can be presented any way you want to prove your point.

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truly got his info where?
Also, there are many factors that must be considered when showing what those funds are used for....defense spending, medicaid (New Mexico..... Some 22.53% of the population was on Medicaid — the fourth highest percentage in the nation — which is funded through the Department of Human Services).
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http://247wallst.com/2012/08/03/sta...ederal-money/3/

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The work was done by Tax Foundation. I came across it at Mother Jones. It has been widely published in many formats:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics...ing-charts-maps
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http://taxfoundation.org/article/fe...state-1981-2005

Funny thing is you guys only need sources from posters who post info that is not in line with Faux news thinking. Never see a righty asked for their sources, except for me asking them. And they almost never come through on it.

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The work was done by Tax Foundation. I came across it at Mother Jones. It has been widely published in many formats:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics...ing-charts-maps
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http://taxfoundation.org/article/fe...state-1981-2005

Funny thing is you guys only need sources from posters who post info that is not in line with Faux news thinking. Never see a righty asked for their sources, except for me asking them. And they almost never come through on it.

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I also find it interesting that it was mother jones that released the Romney "47%" video that just happens to be missing between 1 and 2 minutes. .....Selective Edit?
Romney called for a complete video of his remarks to be released.
That now turns out to be impossible, either because Romney's remarks were never recorded in full (as Mother Jones now claims), or because some of his remarks--perhaps mitigating some of the controversial effect of his statements--were selectively edited out of the tape by Mother Jones or its chain of sources (including former President Jimmy Carter's grandson).


source...... http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journa...-or-Two-Minutes

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Originally posted by truly
That is completely false. Here is a list of states in order, how much money they get back compared to each dollar that they pay in.
New Mexico $2.03
Mississippi $2.02
Alaska $1.84
Louisiana $1.78
West Va $1.76
N. Dakota $1.68
Alabama $1.53
S. Dakota $1.53
Kentucky $1.51
Virginia $1.51
Montana $1.47
Hawaii $1.44
Maine $1.41
Arkansas $1.41
Oklahoma $1.36
S. Carolina $1.35
Missouri $1.32
Maryland $1.30
Tennessee $1.27
Idaho $1.21
Arizona $1.19
Kansas $1.12
Wyoming $1.11
Iowa $1.10
Nebraska $1.10
Vermont $1.08
N. Carolina $1.08
Pennsylvania $1.07
Utah $1.07
Indiana $1.05
Ohio $1.05
Georgia $1.01
Rhode Island $1.00
Florida $.97
Texas $.94
Oregon $.93
Michigan $.92
Washington $.88
Wisconsin $.86
MA $.82
Colorado $.81
Delaware $.77
Illinois $.75
Minnesota $.72
NH $.71
CT $.69
Nevada $.65
New Jersey $.61
This list is a few years old, data comes in slow on some of these numbers. But note that Oklahoma gets $1.36 back for every dollar sent to the Feds. Now you have a little better feel for which states are the moocher states.

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Truly, you want to know why I picked on you, and asked for your source. I hate to admit it, but you had the only credilble looking argument. I want to check it out.

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I didn't really feel picked on by you. There has been a long history on this site of questioning info put out by left of center posters, while anything posted by right of center posters is taken as gospel.
Unfortunately a lot of this info is dated- sifting through tax info means that there is a serious lag time between tax being collected, redistributed back out to the states, and when we get to see the data.

Conhtr1- This list should include gas tax. It is a total of ALL TAXES COLLECTED WITHIN THAT STATE THAT ARE FORWARDED TO THE FEDERAL GOVT. then compared to all money sent back. which may include assistance to the needy, supporting underperforming education systems, ag subsidies, oil, energy, and transportation subsidies.
Basically it is a window into the redistribution of wealth in this nation, on a state by state basis.
Those of us who are on the "giving" side of redistribution scheme aren't so much complaining about it, we are just wishing that others who talk so much about the "givers and takers" of this world would acknowledge that they might just be in the "taker" category.

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Those of us who are on the "giving" side of redistribution scheme aren't so much complaining about it, we are just wishing that others who talk so much about the "givers and takers" of this world would acknowledge that they might just be in the "taker" category.

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