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if you have a coondog around here, then your gonna tree a coon in our thin coon. then the deciding factor of 1st tree would be true to the fastest track dog, not just striking on a bucket and treeing on a bucket and deciding on the loudest

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When 100 of the best dogs in the world produce 7 dead casts the very first night, "lottery" is a good way to describe it. And it purty much proves you missed the target when you picked that location.

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Wherever it is I'd like to see the dogs in enough coon to score more than one tree to show consistency and either put on show or maybe come from behind to win.

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It doesn't matter how thin the coons are if that coon pops up the first tree when he hears a dog on his trail. I would like a world champion that won by having thin enough coons that all dogs got after the same coon and that coon took all four on a chase that took the whole two hours or one hour , whatever the hunt time, to get him put up. I'd like to hear the bragging that the dog that got 3rd or 4th strike hung in there and took over the lead that everybody on the cast could tell he was obviously in the lead for 10 minutes before they got treed. Maybe even how one of the dogs had enough after and hour of hard running and quit and came out. Now that would be a championship competition worth hearing about.

Four dogs spreading out and treeing pop ups all night doesn't do much for me even with 1500 points. But that's just me I' sure.

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Autumn Oaks had bad weather, hot and dry, and although there's quite a few coon in that part of the state, it's not covered up with them, and they didn't have anywhere near the percentage of dead casts that the World hunt had, from what I heard and saw on the score board. The difference... a "bad night" where there's a good coon population and a bad night where they're much more scarce.

I agree with the statement that it should be a coon "hunting" competition, not a coon "finding" competition.

If you have decent dogs, and it takes two hours to tree one coon, what are the odds the dogs are still within hearing, or better yet, still where you have permission to hunt!

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if you want a coontreeing comp go to a treeing comp i want a conn finding and coon running and then a conn treeing comp they should have to do it all not tree lay ups all night thats bs

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JMO So don't get your feathers in an uproar. If you set your watch when a dog or dogs struck a track and it took that dog 1 to 2 hours to tree that coon or coons, i'd would rather watch 2 slugs get it on than to wait that track out. Just sayen, not my cup of tea.

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Bubba - it's a figure of speech, I was still talking about hunting. But if you have to go find that one coon, in the county, then you have to rely on a guide to put you in the right county, and rely on your dog heading in the right direction, and have to rely on that coon not dieing of starvation in the meantime. That is a whole lot of relying, and none of it had to do with relying on my coon dog!

Dmbaker3 - I completely agree! Who could possibly think that you could determine a dog's worth, much less relative worth compared to 3 others, on one coon!?!

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I went to Shreveport and LOVED the woods we hunted. What I didn't care for was hunting 2 nights and both nights being sent to public land. To me wherever the World Hunt is held should be able to put 26 casts in woods that aren't hunted to death.

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I here nothing on the location of the hunt! All I see is Indiana folks crying about not having it there. How many major hunts are already in Indiana? How many times as the world championships been held there? What about Super Stakes? Etc.

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IN TODAYS DOG WORLD YOU DONT SEE DOGS WORKING TOGETHER. IN THAT PART OF THE COUNTRY WHERE ITS HARD TO GET AROUND FOUR DOGS SPLIT TREED WILL BURN LOTS OF TIME. LOTS OF THE CAST HAD MORE THAN ONE TREE BUT ONLY 3 I THINK HAD SCORED ON 2 COONS

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Cody - if you are referring to me, perhaps you didn't read all of my posts. I have repeatedly said, that I don't care if the hunt is near me or not, as long as it's near coon. The host location may be a great venue with a lot of great people, but if you can't guarantee that you're going to put every cast, in coon, then you shouldn't be requesting a hunt.

I don't want to offend anyone, or their hunting areas. These different clubs may have wonderful members, with some outstanding hunting, but we're talking about very high profile hunts with competitors that have logged a lot of miles and $s for a fair shake. And when the locals themselves are talking about how hard it is to tree or even find a coon in the area, and that "it will take a coondog", then don't argue with me, argue with those guys that are creating the perception. All I'm asking, is to consider the fact that it will also take a good guide. And if you don't have enough good guides with plenty of good spots (for the number of casts you'll see) then you are hosting a lottery, not a competition hunt. A competition hunt should come down to simply, who is packing the top dog, not this whole guide and ground variable.

By the way, I moved to Wisconsin, and I still don't care if I have to travel to Indiana or around the lake to Michigan, or Ohio, Iowa etc... just ensure that when we cut the dogs loose, there's a high probability that we can start judging the talent, in short order. As opposed to having to wait for the dogs to find that feeder, or cut through a thousand acres of pines, to find a coon to run.

And more by the way.... it takes what, about 30-40 hours to drive coast to coast, so no matter where you host these big hunts, somebody is going to have to drive 20 hours to get there. So give those guys and gals a great opportunity to tree some coon, not A coon.

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Plenty of coon and I mean bunches in Albany Ga. How far is that from WI? Your gonna tree one when you cut em loose. So they should have it there if coons are all we are worried about!

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Plenty of coon and I mean bunches in Albany Ga. How far is that from WI? Your gonna tree one when you cut em loose. So they should have it there if coons are all we are worried about!

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Michael,

I'm all for Albany, as well. You guys have repeatedly shown that you are not only a hospitable host, but you can put a crowd of people into coon. And again, that is all this post was about... I don't care how far I or anyone were to drive, as long as they receive what they should expect when they get there.

And... I wasn't specifically speaking of the World Hunt, but any large hunt where there's a multitude of casts that need to be catered too. And, I don't claim to be an expert on most of these regions, I'm just going off the posts I see, where folks are saying bring such and such hunt here, because it takes "a coon dog" to tree a coon.

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I'll tell why Id be against Albany or most places in the south in sept. Its hot as hades. That's not really any fun either. Besides the coon. It needs to be cool. Makes it more fun. I get ill when its 80 and hotter at dark thirty.. Blue Iron I know what your talking about. I might tree one but on foot you'd be hard pressed to keep em in hearing.

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I wasn't there so I don't know but it is my belief that when 1/4th of the 100 best can't score a coon, you picked a sorry place to test the top 100.

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Plenty of coon and I mean bunches in Albany Ga. How far is that from WI? Your gonna tree one when you cut em loose. So they should have it there if coons are all we are worried about!

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I don't want to offend anyone, or their hunting areas. These different clubs may have wonderful members, with some outstanding hunting, but we're talking about very high profile hunts with competitors that have logged a lot of miles and $s for a fair shake. And when the locals themselves are talking about how hard it is to tree or even find a coon in the area, and that "it will take a coondog", then don't argue with me, argue with those guys that are creating the perception. All I'm asking, is to consider the fact that it will also take a good guide. And if you don't have enough good guides with plenty of good spots (for the number of casts you'll see) then you are hosting a lottery, not a competition hunt. A competition hunt should come down to simply, who is packing the top dog, not this whole guide and ground variable.


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The way you talk about GA in ALL of your other posts, there may be 2 coons in the entire state and according to you, they have to go half way across the state before they even strike... Wth

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David... I don't disagree with you at all. I agree with judging talet right off the bat. I'm just wondering how many hunts are already in Indiana? There are plenty of other places is all. Centrally located is pretty fair, don't you think? I really don't care if it's held across the street from my house... I prolly would have a dog in it anyway.

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Cody... My point was that I was not advocating a hunt in Indiana at all, nor was I specifically referring to the World Hunt. I was just saying that for those that are advocating their state or location, for a big hunt, please look at the big picture.

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South GA has coons. Mid GA has a few. North GA they're scarce as hens teeth.

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if you want a coontreeing comp go to a treeing comp i want a conn finding and coon running and then a conn treeing comp they should have to do it all not tree lay ups all night thats bs

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