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I'm not sure I see where all of the "drama" is coming from.

In NASCAR, they have the "Green-White-Checker" finish, in the NBA, NFL, NHL, MLB, and basketball, football, Hockey, Soccer, and baseball teams right down to the little league world series they play "extra innings", overtime, extra periods...whatever.

Jeeze, are we coonhunters really so narrow minded that we can't open ourselves up to the fact that we had an overtime?

They didn't just up and decide to hunt an overtime hour, the rule wasn't changed "on the spot"....it has been that way for a number of years, or don't we read the rule book? The best I can tell, the overtime period has been used before without all of the uproar, and while I truly hope that it never has to be used again....it is what it is...

Congrats to the winner!

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I'm not sure I see where all of the "drama" is coming from.

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slick tree'n idiots and the "slick" handlers will be gone.no leaves levels the field.

be coondog vs coondog ...not coondog vs tree dog{thats 50% accurate} that stays in the hunt with circle.
minus them out and go on.

coon or no coon seen ,period.

just thin about it.it would change comp hunting for the better!
be a different hound bred and brought to town.alot more cull'n and less junk forsale.

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You still aint gonna have a bluetick world champ. Dont matter if they have it in the arctic circle in a coon pen

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Sorry guys....I didn't mean to ruffle feathers with the "D" word (drama). That sounded a whole lot more harsh than I meant it to be..... Again, sorry for the poor choice of words.

I just don't think in my most humble opinion that since the rules are spelled out very clearly in the rule book, and that includes the fact that the ONLY cast that is allowed to have an OT, there is a big issue here.

Now, I'm not saying that there is never room for improvement, but I'm not sure some of the suggestions here are truly improvement suggestions.

Think long and hard about some of the suggestions. Remember that when the first tree points moved to 125 it sounded pretty harmless....now we have a lot of dogs that like to get "first tree" without a coon....

I understand why you might think that the 200- points should exclude that dog from winning in OT, but what if the other dogs hunt 4 hours without treeing a score-able coon, then what will we complain about.

What if we just wipe all scores clean at the end of the "regulation" time....and have a sudden death? The reality is that there were two other dogs that had the same opportunity to score on a coon in the overtime period that were NOT packing minus points....and they failed to do so. That doesn't make them any less of a coon dog, just means they didn't have enough plus points at the end of the extra time to win....

Again, just my opinion....

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hold the hunt where there are coon!! won't be no need for a 3 hr hunt.
also hold it in central usa...like maybe southern indiana, illinois or iowa?make it fair in travel for all.
alot more chance for split trees,make dog take pressure,see coon,cooler temps,and less b.s. to deal with.

be extra nice in fall with no leaves.eliminate the hounds/handlers that "live" on circle instead of minus.
slick tree'n hounds won't advance.

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Yeah..but what will they complain about then?

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there would be nothing worse than to NOT crown a world champion. the dogs proved they deserved to be there and its jsut stupid to not crown a dog a winner after all they did to get there.

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Aren't overtime periods in sports only when there is a deadlock tie? I know the super bowl is played until there is a winner and that's not the case during the regular NFL season unless they have changed something I'm not aware of.

I think what Chuck's trying to say , there wasn't a four way tie at the end of two hours.

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Considering that we are rule changing....I have one that I am curious about.

When all dogs are struck and they split tree ....they have clearly ran a seperate track. Why not adjust the track points. It stinks to take a 3rd or 4th strike behind another dog when you had the 1st or 2nd strike on a seperate coon track? The tree is moved up because it is a seperate coon....why not the strike?

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Aren't overtime periods in sports only when there is a deadlock tie? I know the super bowl is played until there is a winner and that's not the case during the regular NFL season unless they have changed something I'm not aware of.

I think what Chuck's trying to say , there wasn't a four way tie at the end of two hours.

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What does second ,third and fourth place receive ? Just curious.

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What does second ,third and fourth place receive ? Just curious.

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Trophies, just like the first place dog.... Just smaller!

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Now, here is a real good question that I have, since we are talking about it....

Since the rule for breaking a tie in a regular UKC hunt states that an unbreakable tie could be hunted off, or by a coin flip...and nobody agrees to flip a coin....

What if you have two dogs tied for 0 at the end of the night? I know the rules don't allow for overtime in a regular UKC hunt, but what would stop a club from breaking a tie on a "dead cast"?

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Why would you waste the time on a dead cast, kinda silly. Can't recieve any awards or points at the club level

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If we would have all understood that this rule was there would we feel differant about it? I believe ukc has taken a step back but they are still the best regerstry out there. they will do better in the future and i believe all 4 of these dogs should enjoy thier glory! These dogs and handlers have done something that most of us only dream about . congrats. to all 4 of the final 4 dogs.

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I'm not even going to read all of the posts here...do you REALLY think that no leaves = no circle?? Haven't you ever heard of a hollow tree??

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there would be nothing worse than to NOT crown a world champion. the dogs proved they deserved to be there and its jsut stupid to not crown a dog a winner after all they did to get there.

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Rance56 not to stir the pot but hasn't it not been done before. And from what i remember none of the guys in that hunt complained about it. They went by same rules then as they are now.

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Well from a guy that was there that talked to one of the guys in the final 4. He told him it pretty much is what it is a dead cast. Same rules applied then why not now. It only happened once so where has the complaining come from that changed it since it happen sometime back. Or was the rule changed made cause what happened over A.O. What about them guys that didn't get OT back then guess that's ok they got swallow that pill.

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Well from a guy that was there that talked to one of the guys

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Could be wrong but i think this was the first time hearing about the new rule for the final 4 the year there was no champion was several years back if there was that much complaining it surely would've been changed way before now. FYI i have hunted in that area while in the service with friends that lived there. Yes it took awhile sometimes and sometimes it didn't. Not trying stir the pot. I guess it is what is from here on out. I'm not taking anything away from the world champ she won under their current rules good job. I guess who or what does it benefit for those that gotta go by the same set of rules all year long threw the rqe's the zones and the finals. Guess that about sums it up for me on this subject.

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all year long threw the rqe's the zones and the finals. .

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Rance56 not to stir the pot but hasn't it not been done before. And from what i remember none of the guys in that hunt complained about it. They went by same rules then as they are now.

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They are supposed to be the best of the best not taking anything away from the dogs but they should be able to tree a coon or to in a 2 hour hunt afterall they are hunting to be the world championship. overtime only if all dogs are tied with plus points then hunt it of. J.m.o

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by The Seeker
[B]This is not entirely accurate. The rules changed since no World Ch was crowned the last time. On page 103 of the 2011 UKC rule book. Under Sat. Night final cast.

Like i said i could be wrong. But i knew the rule was in there for a tie breaking purposes. I guess i never saw a rule for it to go into overtime for dead cast nor have i heard of it ever mentioned before this weekend. But you can be very well right Bob i guess i don't have a 2011 rule book.

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