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They all 4 advanced !!!! I'll bet their not bitchin ..... Tie breakers are tie breakers not hard to follow the rules in place..... The 200 + is the end score not total + and minus = score !!!!!! least minus, 1st trees, 1st strike, Circle tree points , circle strike..... The non cast win night means NOTHING !!!!!!

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They're not really screwed up. It's no different than if there were 16 dogs entered at a local $15 UKC hunt and all four cast winners came back in with 200+. Would they all get a first place win? No you would go through the tie breaking sequence to place them 1-4 respectively. The exact same thing happened here except they ran out of places to give and the fourth dog with 200+ goes home. Sorry I know it stinks but its all consistant with the UKC scoring system.

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Originally posted by Tim MACHA:
The CW scores are not the same. They may end of with the same number but how the number was determined is the difference in tie breaking situations.

Originally posted by Nathan Lattimer :
They're not really screwed up. It's no different than if there were 16 dogs entered at a local $15 UKC hunt and all four cast winners came back in with 200+. Would they all get a first place win? No you would go through the tie breaking sequence to place them 1-4 respectively. The exact same thing happened here except they ran out of places to give and the fourth dog with 200+ goes home. Sorry I know it stinks but its all consistant with the UKC scoring system.


Understandable Tim & Nathan - I was looking at what happened @ Zone 7 - I know that all dogs may have had a different route to get to the 200+ score but the end result was 7 dogs with 200+
I do understand the tie-break policy of UKC & how it does apply. But in a hunt this large requiring 2 nights of hunting @ the zones as opposed to a one night 2 hour club hunt, I will stand by my opinion previously stated .

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Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
Your logic is way way off Judd.

You do not award dogs that don't win their cast. EVER!

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What do you mean my logic is way off. I am not saying award a dog that doesn't win there cast

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Patrick everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I respect yours. However using a non cast winning score to break a tie of cast winners just doesn't jive with UKC's standard of rewarding the plus point cast winner.

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Look at the scores and you will see what I am talking about

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All I am saying is I think it's screwed up

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Show us the score cards and then it may make some sense to you !!!!

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Patrick everyone is entitled to their own opinion and respect yours. However using a non cast wining score to break a tie of cast winners just doesn't jive with UKC's standard of rewarding the plus point cast winner.

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They all 4 advanced in zone 7 !!!!!!!!

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What you mean they all 4 Advanced

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Yes Patrick I know dogs #46 scores are correct I was back up handler

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Where are you seeing this Sir

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They had him advancing this morning than changed it

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Where are you seeing this Sir

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They didn't just make this rule for the zone. If you want both nights to count win both nights.

Page 61

"16. TIES:
All ties to be broken for UKC points. Dog will win out over
other dog: dog that has the least number of minus
points; if still a tie, dog that has the most plus tree points;
if still a tie, dog that has the most plus strike points; if still
a tie, dog that has the most circled tree points; if still a tie,
dog that has the most circled strike points. If still a tie,
dogs involved will hunt in one-hour intervals until tie is
broken, or flip a coin if all parties agree."

This link will take you to the rule book/

http://www.ukcdogs.com/res/pdf/2011CBRulebook.pdf

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First off, only the 200 cast wins would count and the MOH would refer to the tie breakers as referred to on the back of the card. Only if a tie could not be broken, would the other nights score come into play. After double cast winners are picked then it refers to the highest one night cast win score. If one follows the outline of how the winners place, it is easy to understand.

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Sir I don't own a hair on a dog that hunted in zone 7 ..I simply think the rules are jacked

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That isn't the only oops in that stack of cards.

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What ya talking about Harold

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I have a question about the zones then... Since only the cast wins matter... (and trust me I understand UKC rules to the fullest).. but with the case at hand why does someone HAVE to hunt both nights?? If you score a high CW on Friday and you feel that it is good enough to get you in and you feel that there will not be that many double CWers why should you have to hunt the other night then if that night means nothing unless it is a CW??

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I have a question about the zones then... Since only the cast wins matter... (and trust me I understand UKC rules to the fullest).. but with the case at hand why does someone HAVE to hunt both nights?? If you score a high CW on Friday and you feel that it is good enough to get you in and you feel that there will not be that many double CWers why should you have to hunt the other night then if that night means nothing unless it is a CW??

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I'm with Tim, the second night is a little silly without it counting for anything other than a second cast win.. To me this is two shots of qualifing. I say win both casts to advance or go home. This format puts you at the mercy of the guides. Win your cast each night or go home. let me win the first cast with500 / 800 plus and I'll show you how to "float through the second cast. Those two cast wins are erased at the finals aren't they? About all this format does is possibly weed out the junky and rough dogs.

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I am not saying that I don't understand I am questioning the rule of it being mandatory to hunt both nights... and if it is in place just to make sure you don't get scratched then make it that the only way to get through is to have double cast wins... then that takes care of the questions... but then again I am sure that they need so many dogs to be at the world to make it feasable financially...

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Well, If double cast wins were required to get through zones about 80% of the past world champions wouldn't have been........just say'n.

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