Registered: Jun 2003
Location: michigan
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I see this as pretty simple
1. decide what it is you want to do.
2. look for a pup/dog that will do what you want to do
3. if you breed then breed for what you want but if it's NOT what you want don't breed it.
4. If you have what you want don't worry about the other people

#1 is the most important but you do have options if you change your mind.

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Breed for the HARDWOOD, NOT the PLYWOOD!!! If you wanna just show go get a poodle, yorkie, ect instead of a coondog, don't get me wrong, I show all my hounds that meet breed standards, but to me its unfair to show a COONDOG @ national level against a dog that's lived in the house its whole life & don't have a scratch on it. Whats the chance of a good looking COONDOG thats been pushed hard & has battle scares beat a house dog? It say in the rules to not knock of points for hunting scares, but if its anywhere close the judge want pick hunting dog in a national show.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tony Dominguez
Breed for the HARDWOOD, NOT the PLYWOOD!!! If you wanna just show go get a poodle, yorkie, ect instead of a coondog, don't get me wrong, I show all my hounds that meet breed standards, but to me its unfair to show a COONDOG @ national level against a dog that's lived in the house its whole life & don't have a scratch on it. Whats the chance of a good looking COONDOG thats been pushed hard & has battle scares beat a house dog? It say in the rules to not knock of points for hunting scares, but if its anywhere close the judge want pick hunting dog in a national show. [/QUOTE


Guess everyone forgot about the walker dog of Megan Rimel's who won NATIONAL GRAND CHAMPION at Autumn Oaks a few years ago who is now also a NITECH.......or does that still not count????? Because he was a 'show dog' first???? Just sayin...

Or what about John the Rock...not sure how many overall state championships he's won this year but he is also a NITECH

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dual gr ch emi's hanks honest abe....once owned by natalie drake and ryan sears. was high scoring over-all at his zone hunt, down in mo., for ukc world hunt ! it was the largest zone hunt that year.


there are those that show, those that hunt, and those who do both. telling anyone what to do with their own hound, is wrong. to each his own. but it is true, you can have both.

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One question for all of you who are against "show" dogs..

Question:
If you had a child (girl or boy) or you spouse (husband or wife) who didn't like to hunt, BUT absolutly enjoyed showing a hound. They asked you "can I get a show dog to show- I want a top notch show dog...I found one on the board here for $200"

What would you do?


Scenerio is this: I have seen so many people post on this board about how they have lost a wife due to "i hunt all the time" or "i am gone with them dogs to much" or so many kids that are on the wrong path...Did you ever stop and think what happen in the beginning to make things not work? Your spouse as well as your children need to know they are loved, appreciated, and cherished. When they stay at home all the time or spend most of their time alone, I am sure it does get old and they feel like there has to be a better life out there. What I am trying to say is this.... Involve your children, spouse, in the showing/hunting with you. It will give you a whole new view on showing dogs. I PROMISE YOU THAT!!!!!

I for one go to the hunts, and show, field trial, and water races WITH MY HUSBAND AND SON, I have my own truck and dog box. MY SON AND I SHOW OUR HOUNDS, then my husband stays and hunts, or he may come home. I have a black n tan female who is my pride n joy in our hounds. GR CH PR LAUREL CREEK DAZZLE, the reason she is PR is because of me... NOT HER! She can and will hunt the hair off of a coon, she is a #1 tree dog, (120-130 bmp) she can win any treeing contest you put her in. The reasoning behind her not being titled is because I have just a great bond with her, I was always afraid of getting her ate up by a mean dog, or getting her killed. She is a great pleasure hunting dog, for me and our son when we want to go. My son has a very nice English Pup whom HE purchased on his own, HE works with him as much as possible when his time allows (he runs approx 40-50 +miles per week) who as a team won...Overall Best male of show, pairs, King of show, then he won GRCH class with Dazzle. He enjoys showing hounds, but doesn't like to hunt that much. Do you think I would tell him "NO'', that he can't show a hound, just because they are for "HUNTING"-absolutly not!!! If it keeps him away from drugs, and off the street, he can show a elephant as far as I am concerned! With this all being said, each to his own...BUT as the old saying goes.....DON'T KNOCK IT TO YOU TRY IT!!!!!!

Get your youth and spouses involved and I believe you will have a close knit family!

Weinstock, hope you have a "SUNNY" kinda day... lol Hope to see ya soon, at a SHOW

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Breed for the HARDWOOD, NOT the PLYWOOD!!! If you wanna just show go get a poodle, yorkie, ect instead of a coondog, don't get me wrong, I show all my hounds that meet breed standards, but to me its unfair to show a COONDOG @ national level against a dog that's lived in the house its whole life & don't have a scratch on it. Whats the chance of a good looking COONDOG thats been pushed hard & has battle scares beat a house dog? It say in the rules to not knock of points for hunting scares, but if its anywhere close the judge want pick hunting dog in a national show.

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Not sure but maybee my feble mind will let me remember back a couple of years ago to a dog that won the WORLD SHOW and also had a hunting title that dog was a B&T remember "Beajolais" and his littermate brother went the other route B&T WORLD Champion of breed the same year and also a GR Sh Ch degree. we call him J J
NOW less never forget the GERMAN SHEPPARD BREED look what the SHOW ring did to that breed took all the genetics drive out and replaced it with the SHOW GAIT. U K C just addressed that issue so don't think it can't and want happen to the coon hound breed just quit hunting um and keep foo foo showing them and see what happens.
BUT TO EACH HIS OWN for me put them on the hardwood then the plywood.
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OK I have stood it as long as I can LOL......

First and foremost I am a show person but that is by choice. I know that diehard hunters believe that we as show people are trying to breed the hunt out of our dogs. You could be no further from the truth. Granted there are some breeders that could careless about the hunt side and will breed strictly for show and I agree that is not the correct route to take.

If you a good breeder and your are breeding for the betterment of our breed what you breed will better a breed. I know that not every dog that is breed to hunt does not make a world champion and neither does every show dog that is breed to show. If you take the time to do some pedigree research and make the best choices for yourself you will make a cross for the betterment of the breed. It is not show or hunt people that are hurting the breeds it is the fly by night breed my dog everytime she comes in heat to whatever is available even if it her brother or daddy that is hurting our breeds.

The insticnt of a hound is always there, show dogs may hunt and hunting dogs may show. But as long as they meet breed standard and are good solid and sound hounds they will not harm the breed.

I have stood many a night under and old show dog and seen many a coon.

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we show a dog. he was breed to show. he is a show ch now. But if you look real hard you will see all his scares from last coon season. And yes my wife dose baby this dog. she must go every time i take him out. she packs a first aid kit just for him. now that said. i do not comp hunt i have went to a few and found i get the cheat group most the time or just that one guy who rubs me wrong. so we will be haveing our dogs that is all our dogs hunted by some kids in youtth events and reg events starting next month. oh to the point with what i have saw. dogs breed for show and show only not for both. seem to take more work to get going a bit later to start and a softer hand to bring out the best in them as far as hunting. the up side to the straight show breed dog the are breed to compeit so they want to show all the other dogs up.

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Like I said we ALL have the choice to feed and care for ANYTHING we want. That's as good as it gets.

If you can't find a good dog to hunt I'd say the folks breeding hunting dogs are making the wrong choices.

Can't find a show dog then the show folks are dropping the ball.

Fact is it's at least 50% harder to find one good at both to compete with at the top level and even if they are that good the owners usual concentrate their efforts on one or the other at the big hunts.

A few years from now when the tree huggers finally get our guns and outlaw hunting you'll only see our hounds in shows along with some already there because they don't have a LEGAL purpose for their original intent. Try using a ferret for anything but a house pet and see what happens.

Hunt versus show has been going on as long as I can remember and there were hounds behind the house before I was born. It's changing constantly and steadily because we're changing with each generation til we're at the point you can hardly own several dogs without problems.
Maybe that's why so many show at the conformation shows now instead of the hound events where someone is constantly telling them they have no business owning a hound if they don't hunt it. We're at the point right now where we can't afford to drive anybody away and some young people start out showing and wind up hunting or both.
We spend time and money trying to get youth involved in our sport any way possible and then drive them away by criticizing them because they do something a little different than we've always done it.

People ARE crazy. We've got the choice, leave it alone, it can only get worse if you don't.

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i'm all for a dual purpose hound ,,i would not have a all show hound or 1 that comes from just show hounds ..but that's me and that is my chioce ,i have shown several. i see how hard it is going up against show dogs with mine that is scratched up, ears torn ,i go and show then sign up that dog for the nite hunt that is the way i think should be but that's me .i believe in a well balanced hound !

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Hi,

I am glad we still live in a free country to enjoy our hounds, regardless of color, breeding, hunting dog, show dog or dual purpose dog.


We had better stick together because anti gun, and anti hunting elements in our country are trying extremely hard to put an end to our sport.


Our freedoms are being taken away a little at a time. Unite to keep our sport viable and alive for our children and grandchildren.


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Not sure but maybee my feble mind will let me remember back a couple of years ago to a dog that won the WORLD SHOW and also had a hunting title that dog was a B&T remember "Beajolais" and his littermate brother went the other route B&T WORLD Champion of breed the same year and also a GR Sh Ch degree. we call him J J
NOW less never forget the GERMAN SHEPPARD BREED look what the SHOW ring did to that breed took all the genetics drive out and replaced it with the SHOW GAIT. U K C just addressed that issue so don't think it can't and want happen to the coon hound breed just quit hunting um and keep foo foo showing them and see what happens.
BUT TO EACH HIS OWN for me put them on the hardwood then the plywood.
HAVE A GOODON H L

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I've tried to stay away from this post. I know this can be a touchy subject. I don't want to step on anyone's toes but individuals who breed for show purposes is 100% hurting that respective breed. It's common sense. If you don't breed for ability it gets lost. Some ppl may make the argument that we need to stick together. We are in this for our love of our hounds. Blah blah blah. I love my dogs. Hunting is a great thing. So ppl who don't breed for hunting ability is hurting hunting, something I care greatly about. So I would a soon have them out of the hound world as keep them in. Some ppl might say we need them ppl in this sport. Well that's only true to keep hunting clubs around. I have no problem pleasure hunting the rest of my life. Comp hunting takes a back seat to pleasure hunting in my mind. I have nothing against a dog being shown. But when that same dog never gets hunted and is breed for show purposes that bothers me. When I say hunting I don't mean water races and field trials. I mean hunted. I believe the ppl that use there dogs for there intended purpose are the heart beat of this sport. Again I am not trying to make anyone mad.

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I've tried to stay away from this post. I know this can be a touchy subject. I don't want to step on anyone's toes but individuals who breed for show purposes is 100% hurting that respective breed. It's common sense. If you don't breed for ability it gets lost. Some ppl may make the argument that we need to stick together. We are in this for our love of our hounds. Blah blah blah. I love my dogs. Hunting is a great thing. So ppl who don't breed for hunting ability is hurting hunting, something I care greatly about. So I would a soon have them out of the hound world as keep them in. Some ppl might say we need them ppl in this sport. Well that's only true to keep hunting clubs around. I have no problem pleasure hunting the rest of my life. Comp hunting takes a back seat to pleasure hunting in my mind. I have nothing against a dog being shown. But when that same dog never gets hunted and is breed for show purposes that bothers me. When I say hunting I don't mean water races and field trials. I mean hunted. I believe the ppl that use there dogs for there intended purpose are the heart beat of this sport. Again I am not trying to make anyone mad.

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Showing & Hunting Hounds

I show at all levels and just recently got into pleasure hunting and am in the process of trying to learn the rules so i can comp hunt

Im pretty new to coonhounds, i have been showing hounds for a lil over 2 years now and really got started into the hunting side a few months ago so im still learning myself.

Since i started, my goals and opinions of just showing or just hunting have changed. When i first got into it, i really was only into the show part. I had hunting bred dogs but i didnt really care one way or another, i just wanted to go and show. I didnt really have the resources to go and hunt much less anyone to teach me anything about the hunting side. I bought a coondog up at oaks and we started pleasure hunting little by little but i still wasnt too into it because i didnt know what i was doing. Then late last year a guy came and bought a pup from me, him and I became pretty good friends and we started hunting. He helped me with my dogs and helped try to teach me some of what coonhunting is about.I cant thank him enough really. I got hooked pretty quick . And found myself looking at things alot different. I realized that all these show hounds i had werent to great at what they were bred to do. Now i really want what i should have to begin with, a dog i can win with in the hunts and the shows. Thats my goal now and will be from now on. I was more rapped up in the show part then what i should have been and i cant change what i have done in the passed with my dog BUT we all live and learn i guess, and we all learn to do what makes us happy.

Do what makes you happy because in the long run thats all that matters. I agree that all show crosses arent good for the breeds or the sport because with all show dogs u are loosing what got this all started. Ppl sure didnt get started with showing dogs , it all started in the woods.

I have seen SUPER nice show dogs that are hunting dogs as well. ( they are limited but there out there ) and I think those are what ppl need to strive for! JMO

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Location: juniata county pa
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Here is my 2 cents. As far as showing and hunting goes if I'm gonna hunt a dog it better look good on the bench also. I have noticed most guys that hate show dogs hunt flat footed ugly spotted up dogs that stink and are just dirty looking all the time. I be leave they should both go hand and hand. As far show dogs not being able to hunt well that's so not true. You can teach a poodle to hunt. Good chance it won't be real good at it but it will hunt. I will take a good looking dog that is a ok hunter over a ugly dog that can win the world any day just because that's how I am. If I don't like the way my dog looks I'm not gonna give it as much effort as one that looks good. I know that sounds crazy but why have standards if your not gonna follow them. Before any one thinks I'm saying all the ones winning the big hunts are ugly and get offended don't worry I'm not cause most of them are good looking dogs. But there are a lot of local level guys that have some ugly dogs that will sit back and crack jokes about how them show dogs probably don't even know what a coon is. Well I got one of them pretty show dogs and she flat out kill a coon in a second. She is no world beater but she will show you a coon most of the time. Jmo

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Registered: Jul 2010
Location: missouri
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problem is it takes a person with an open mind and that can realy train a dog to train one that dont train its self to hunt. To many people think it says coon dog that means take it to the woods let it go and it will tree a coon. bet there is more to it than that. it dose happen every now and then but a lot less in dogs that are just breed to show. But to each there own.Them big time stud dogs that look good on a tree and a bench did not get to be that way with out a lot of work.

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problem is it takes a person with an open mind and that can realy train a dog to train one that dont train its self to hunt. To many people think it says coon dog that means take it to the woods let it go and it will tree a coon. bet there is more to it than that. it dose happen every now and then but a lot less in dogs that are just breed to show. But to each there own.Them big time stud dogs that look good on a tree and a bench did not get to be that way with out a lot of work.

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Here is my 2 cents. As far as showing and hunting goes if I'm gonna hunt a dog it better look good on the bench also. I have noticed most guys that hate show dogs hunt flat footed ugly spotted up dogs that stink and are just dirty looking all the time. I be leave they should both go hand and hand. As far show dogs not being able to hunt well that's so not true. You can teach a poodle to hunt. Good chance it won't be real good at it but it will hunt. I will take a good looking dog that is a ok hunter over a ugly dog that can win the world any day just because that's how I am. If I don't like the way my dog looks I'm not gonna give it as much effort as one that looks good. I know that sounds crazy but why have standards if your not gonna follow them. Before any one thinks I'm saying all the ones winning the big hunts are ugly and get offended don't worry I'm not cause most of them are good looking dogs. But there are a lot of local level guys that have some ugly dogs that will sit back and crack jokes about how them show dogs probably don't even know what a coon is. Well I got one of them pretty show dogs and she flat out kill a coon in a second. She is no world beater but she will show you a coon most of the time. Jmo

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Shows were created to keep the overall look and type of a breed pure and not mixed. Hunting stock should still be judged for confirmation! It's very important that bluetIcks look like Blueticks( I have blues)... If there was not a breed standard breeds would fall apart.. I hope that most people that breed for confirmation also breed for brains and instinct! I know many reputable breeders that have dual purpose dogs just not dual titled dogs because of how rough and political hunts can be and vice versa! Show peoPle should feel food their dogs can tree a coon and be correct doing it, same for hunters. The reason the standard was created was to uphold breed purity and to give guidelines to breeders to help them have the best structure so they can perform in the woods properly. AKC can't even be considered because they ruin most breeds anyways. This is just my input, I come from showing and HUNTING AKC Standard Longhair Dachshunds... Yes hunting! Abd we have had top 10 dogs that compete in Westminster! Don't bash the show people... Don't bash the hunt people... If you all worked together and opened mind and knowledge you would achieve the common goal!
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Location: Fort Valley, GA
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Ability first
Brains
then Conformation
The ABC's of good hounds you should always breed for ability first.
The ability of a show dog is to stand still and look pretty
The ability of a coon dog is go hunting strike a track and accurately get treed..

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Show if thats your thing but hunting ability is my thing

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Location: juniata county pa
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Couldnt help but laugh when i read this one. So you could even teach a poodle to hunt---- Guess what--- before the show people got to em poodles used to be hunting dogs.
Who would have guessed.

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Registered: May 2010
Location: Lexington,Tennessee
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show people say oh i dont hunt nite hunts because of the cheating....

like there isnt ever a cheat in a show?? really??

who cares about conformation, who cares about cat feet, i care about droppin in there smokin a track and havin the grease when i get there.

and whats funny is these show folks say...oh...he won so in so at autumn oaks and now he just made nite ch....

BIG DEAL!!! These show dogs are not hounds...

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My hounds are hounds.

They hunt and I show them. I may not win in either event. (Actually Doug does the hunting) I dont for the life of me see how subject got blown out of the water again.

I wish the best of luck to everyone in this sport. First and formost pur kids. This to give this sport a future. Secondly to all those who hunt or show. This to keep this sport alive.

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