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Lipper has to be the leader among over-rated studs .

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if we fed all the info into a computer, i.e. wins, biggame, country coon dogs, early starting, bad handlers,etc. as bad a product that we are produceing as a whole, the comp. would melt down.

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Originally posted by Russell Boyette
If you're saying that Nailor only produced because he was bred to reproducing females, then you have to say that about every stud that ever lived.

I know that your statement sounds very knowlegable, but in reality, if that statement is true then the only reason any stud(not just walker studs) reproduces is because of the female. Which i dont entirely believe,

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i'll just say that as far as what pups go to big game hunting, dogs that are just pleasure hunted, pups that are showing great promise but get killed at a young age, and bad females. these are things that can be said about all male studs. percentages DON"T LIE and are, in the end what a stud dog should be judged by. and i for one think the ukc's percentage chart is one of the best things they have ever done. so all the stud dog owners can blow as hard as they want, print all the two page color ads the want, and talk about all the "all grand pappers" they want,but in the end they will all be judged by that little chart in the back of the bloodlines book. just my two cents

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Originally posted by Bkdogg
All studs unless your talking about the looks of the dogs it's throwing. The race horse people know it the cattle people know it, but the dog people won't admit it. 80% of the performance comes from the dam's side. Even PBR is breeding the cows for the bucking bulls not the best bucking bulls for more bucking bulls.

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jim, 100%. quarters? i've spent a little bit of time in fort worth, {PAINT WORLD}, and had a few in san saba. also just over the border at joe heims. {never seen that many BIG grasshoppers in my life}.

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eric, don't you think there is more info needed than just that to get the % ? not argueing with you,just wondering. mike

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Originally posted by Voyd Cannon
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Just the other week on on PBR they were talking to the Breeders were the PBR bucking bulls come from. They were the ones talking about the 80% performance themselves. And yes I grew up at the race track. Padocking and training was my 1st job as a kid. I spent 5 yrs at at raceway park, Northfield park and Scioto downs.

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PLEASE! your talking about standard breds, {pull a cart}. i bred trained, raced, drove,{A LICENCES}. since the early 70's, at the meadows, windsor, all over ohio, meadowlands, etc.. THE WORST BREEDING PROGRAMS IN THE WORLD WERE RUN BY THE STANARD BRED PEOPLE! why do you think it took YEARS to produce any thing with speed. just like brood gyps that are not proven or hunting titled gyps, that are not proven in the pen. they used the same methods. HOW COME ALL THE GREAT FOUNDATION AQHA SIRES ARE IN AND LINE BRED TO CERTAIN STUDS? go with what YOU are comfortable with, for me i'll go another route.

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lipper he shoulda had twice the amount of grands and nites than he did

5097 pups286 ntch 147 grn

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are they all overrated? we should think so if we compare them to other species breeding programs. we try for alot of traits but so do other breeders of animals.

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too much dollar, noy enough CULLING[me included]

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i guess i don't know what info you are talking about? just wondering what you had in mind, as far as x.y.z and so on.

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i might not be making myself clear, are the % based on just nite records? i don't know. of course i might of misunderstood what you are saying. getting old and slow! LOL

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IT'S JUST THAT THERE are so many factors involved besides breeding that efect our opions on certain strains. HECK I SURE DON"T HAVE THE ANWSER!

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i need to put more time in my spelling.

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Originally posted by Bruce Conkey
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This is amusing to me. Everyone is sooo quick to spout at the mouth about Sackett Jr, Nailor, Lipper, Rat Attack being over-rated. These are the dogs that are the leading reproducers!! How are they over-rated then? By percentages they are the best!!! I guarantee every stud out there gets bred to waaay more pot-lickers than they do coondogs. That's the biz though I guess. Just because you happen to not care for a particular line, or hunted with a few sorry dogs out of one dog, does not mean they are over-rated. Over-rated would be a dog that is spouted as being the best, then never throws a thing and just kinda vanishes after a year or so. Or one that is always promoted and never throws anything. An example would be Sackett's Tuff Company Rocket. You see him in the front of the book every month, 2 magazines. I have never seen a dog out of him that I liked, and he's right near me!! There's a pile of pups out of him, and they get hunted, but he certaintly isn't reproducing winners!

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You find out what kinda people talk on this boards with the trash they are talking.
How can you say Rooster was overated?

He changed the make up of the english breed.

Some of the other top names are being named, and they are the leading producers of WINNERS of all time. HOW>



382 Pups
1 GN
9 NC

WHo is it.

Balls Gold


That my friend is overated

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A dog that was heavily promoted and advertised 15 years ago and reproduced a good number of offspring was a hound known as Gr. Nite Ch. Hardwood Dan. Ole Dan was one of the best when it came to treeing coon, so good good he won the Purina Award twice with stiff competition when it was a cut throat game. Dan never reproduced his likeness.

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from what i have read on this thread i doubt if their are many on hear that are qualified to make a judgment call on any dogs mentioned. i will guarantee you that they don't all turn out, and yes their are dominant producing indaviduals. (male and female)
i think your time would be better spent studying and listening to people who acctually do know somthing ,than to come on here and bad mouth sombody and their dogs, and pointing out what little you know. jmo

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It's really hard to say a dog is over rated as a stud without knowing the quality of females that were bred to him. It's true that a lot of the heavily promoted stud dogs got a lot of good females bred to them, but also everyone with a cull female that wanted to sell pups, bred to him as well. I would imagine that in the case of most well known dogs, they were bred to just as many culls. JMO

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WELL I DISAGREE WITH COONDOG SWAMP RUSTER IS GREAT TRUST ME I HAVE SWAMP RUSTER BREAD DOGS HOW CAN U SAY A WORLD CHAMP IS OVERATED I THINK ITS HORNY CREEK HARRY.

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