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badger are you mad cause yours isnt on it, get that last win and maybe he might.

yea most are advertised, but there are a bunch of advertised ones that arent on there and some on there that arent advertised.


if you want a real jet stud that isnt advertised other than that thing you are toting around, call rithcie mcdonald he knows of one off qc jet that is throwing nice dogs if he is still being bred

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I should have explained Gr. Nt. Ch...... Looks are a distant concern for me. Like an automobile or a horse, looks are important to most. An ugly hound can tree coon and win hunts but so can those eye catchers. I won't spend any money to own an ugly dog or breed to one. I have to look at the thing every day and I prefer to feed a good looking hound. Coon treeing is secondary when you have pen full that can get-er-done the right way night after night.

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blueticker, sounds like you dont need to look anywhere else for a stud.


the bo dog of tyree boone seems to be off to a good start in the breeding pen also.

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There are plenty of fine looking top studs out there, Nobody is going to breed to a ugly one. There has been a few gooder'uns overlooked by alot of bluetickers because they were light colored and monkey faced...........abaility and rep. should allways come first.

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Throw a walker in there. Seriously

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Throw a walker in there. Seriously

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I think everyone should get a little bit of Rattler before it is too late. There are posts on here to prove it. I have a female that will be going up there when she goes in heat. I also think that Mulberry Blue River is one to take a look at. I have another female that I may breed to him(haven't decided for sure yet).

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...LOL, WILL THEY TREE A LIL'. I personally like them because their so balanced.......hard, hard treedawgs and hard, fast track driving demons. BULLET II IS REPRODUCING. What is the music bitch bred like.

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she has raised 3 litters now at 5 yrs and we have gotten nice dogs but this litter is outstanding. ive crossed rock on to another chief bred female and really liked that also. all i know is if it looks to be working im gonna do it.

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the bo dog of tyree boone seems to be off to a good start in the breeding pen also.

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to be honest, I have not had the opportunity to hunt with a bunch of pups out of the big studs out there, advertised and not...I know of several dogs at stud I wouldnt breed to, but Im not gonna get into that, personal preference....but I do know that Bullet II is throwin a very high percentage of pups that start young, very athletic, big mouths and tree early....now as far as what they will finish into, I only know of a few out of Bullet II that are old enough to really judge, but two of the nicer young dogs I have had the opportunity to hunt with are toms yankee dog, and lees rocket dog....I had a gyp that split with the coon at 6.5 months old out of bullet II, and that is almost gettin to be the norm for his pups...I believe he will be a stud that makes a big mark on the blues....another real nice young dog is austin cox's young dog, D.U.I., he is a nice, nice hound....has maybe two litters old enough to hunt out of him, and gettin good reports on them....all the other studs that are said to be producing well, I only got hearsay, and there are several of them I would like to try a pup off of, but thats about all the input I got fellers, lol....

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A dog does not have to be gr nt ch to reproduce great hounds. Some of the best hounds in the woods never reproduced anything. I think you guys forget this sometimes when you are talking about stud dogs. There are some dogs that are known only to local people. These dogs produce some of the most balanced coondogs ever, but the pups never get national hunting time. This does not mean these dogs are not top notch hounds or that the stud does not reproduce better hounds. It means not everyone competition hunts every weekend. It means not every great hound gets a chance to shine in the big hunts. It also means that some stud dogs do not get advertised or campaigned to get the chance in the breeding pen that others do. There is a PR dog on the reproducers list who has reproduced some of the very best hounds around his local area. Most of the pups have never been hunted in competition, but can not be bought. He will never be on a list like this one, becuse he is not advertised and has not been put in hunts himself to be recognized for his abilities. He still is on the reproducers list. That makes a dog like I discribe a pretty good reproducer in my mind. I am sure there are plenty of dogs like this out there that reproduce greatness, but no one ever hears about them.
HHMMM, I just realized I was rambling. I hoep you get the gist of my meaning. I guess the point is that the very best reproducing stud dog out there could be tied behind someones barn, making great pups, and never being seen on lists like this one. I am not trying to take away from these dogs, but reminding you guys that they are not the only ones out there either. They can also only be a great as the females they are bred too.

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your exactly right but it seems a few folks think a hound has to be a grdnitech. to be a top hound and to rep.. These people are very narrow minded. good post.

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I do have a hound or two that are decent hounds but like I posted earlier they haven't won the big ones and don't have any offspring that has won the big ones.


Monkey faced, light colored, poor mouth, bad conformation and other breed issues just keep a dog from moving to the top very fast. A hound with a little longer hair is certainly not a plus if you enjoy competition hunting or pleasure hunting in warm weather. I have a hound that operates much better in cold weater just because he gets too hot and he isn't real slick haired. I have seen hounds with longer type hair do pretty good in hot weater but most seem to get over heated.

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that was the point of this post, is to find out about the hound tied out back or the local dog throwing really nice pups, or the advertised stud throwing duds. though i do agree that alot of the big name dogs are nothing special in the woods or in the breeding pen, i think the folklore about the hound tied out back gets alittle exagerrated. there is probally a handful around the country, but i dont think they are numerous. we are living in the information age, if something is desired enough it will make it mainstream eventually.

the dog im hutning now is off a pr stud so i dotn fall in the category of looking only at gr nt titles. though if a dog is a pr dog, or ugly, or whatever he is going to not only have to produce as good as the good looking gr nt stud but better, if not, why not just go get it all.

i dont think you would find anyone else with the same 10 dogs i picked as the top, and the list of dogs to watch for ofcourse is going to come from mostly advertised dogs. if a dog stays in obscurity, how are we ever to find out about him? it was getting alitle stale around so just tried to start a topic for discussion.

trapper and his littermate jake are 2 dogs people need to breed to while still can.

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Monkey faced, light colored, poor mouth, bad conformation and other breed issues just keep a dog from moving to the top very fast. A hound with a little longer hair is certainly not a plus if you enjoy competition hunting or pleasure hunting in warm weather. I have a hound that operates much better in cold weater just because he gets too hot and he isn't real slick haired. I have seen hounds with longer type hair do pretty good in hot weater but most seem to get over heated. [/B][/QUOTE] Thats my point. poor mouth and bad conformation should be avoided I.M.O. but not a monkey face or light color. where would the walkers be if they wouldnt breed to a monkey faced dog ?? I have one that is course haired (like the breed standard says) and he operates the same no matter what season it is. Of cource I understand there all not like this. Alot of times I talk about how ugly my hound is but actually he is one of the better built hounds I have seen. perfect conformation, tiny cat feet and beutiful honest eyes and head and a MOUTH that any one would love.......sorry for braggin folks but I like him most of the time. lol

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good post and good thread..............

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I think that what Troy Sheffield is hunting right now should be on the list. I have hunted with the Deacon dog and he is a pretty nice hound also the Pete dog seems to be doing pretty good. Diffently give Troy some oppurtunity. Also agree with Bullet II and I know that Lee is not going to advertise Rocket but I have a puppy off of him and I am looking forward to seeing what she will do.

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your right, Troy sheffield is a gentlemen. He wont feed a cull. His hounds are hard hunting, big mouth, independent treedogs. they should be on the list. Troy doesnt promote them enough, the echo dogs are coondawgs and the man following them will tell you exactly how they are, not what you want to hear but everything about them..............period. Troy is top notch

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The one dog that I have with 4 wins is a nice hound. Since I have owned him he was in three hunts last fall and picked up two wins. He is a coon treeing raskle out of Droop III and goes back to Ranger V on the bottom side also. There is a top gyp bred to him now and we will see what happens. The hound gets heated up in hot weather and doesn't tree as hard.

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James McClary's Gr. Nt. Ch. Runnin Gun dog is a very nice hound and is throwing some nice young dogs. Mike Lorenzo's old Digger dog is a nice hound too. Mike just needs to get a few on the ground out of him and I bet he'll do his part. JMO

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Thanks for the clarification Rance. It is always a shame when financial matters stop a really fine hound from being put out in the public eye. But it happens every day.

It is unfortunate that Trapper was not campaigned. There could have been more pups out of him. I am still getting pups, but he is no longer available to the public for breeding. He is enjoying his retirement. I have sure been happy with the pups out of him around here. I hope Patch will keep up the reproduction his father started. We will just have to wait and see.

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your right, Troy sheffield is a gentlemen. He wont feed a cull. His hounds are hard hunting, big mouth, independent treedogs. they should be on the list. Troy doesnt promote them enough, the echo dogs are coondawgs and the man following them will tell you exactly how they are, not what you want to hear but everything about them..............period. Troy is top notch

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I am planning on taking a linebred daughter of my Jewel female and breeding her to Echo III if she turns out. I am going to pick her up tonight. All her littermates that have been hunted are doing well, so I hope she does.

I have been hearing good things about the III dog.

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I hunted with the original Echo years ago, and believe he was one of the most underused studs of recent years. He was the real deal in every department. A track driving brute with a beautiful mouth.

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I do have a hound or two that are decent hounds but like I posted earlier they haven't won the big ones and don't have any offspring that has won the big ones.


Monkey faced, light colored, poor mouth, bad conformation and other breed issues just keep a dog from moving to the top very fast. A hound with a little longer hair is certainly not a plus if you enjoy competition hunting or pleasure hunting in warm weather. I have a hound that operates much better in cold weater just because he gets too hot and he isn't real slick haired. I have seen hounds with longer type hair do pretty good in hot weater but most seem to get over heated.

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