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Originally posted by Smoke
Red Cedar, I've heard about this Kent guy but I can't get ahold of him.

Billy, You're right there is more than one in this litter that is becoming coondogs and if I'm not mistaken they go back to your old dog.

Talk to you guys later!!

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Nelson's Northern Rex produces some nice tree dogs. More importantly they are good track dogs too. I've hunted with some Hoss II dogs and one stands above the rest. That is Ozark Screaming Scar owned by Sean Jenkins. He is a balanced hound. Bauers Kansas JR throws loud dogs. All of his pups that I've seen have nice loud mouths. If anyone is lacking mouth in their dogs that is something to think of. The stud is only part of the equasion the female has just as much imput. Hope this helps some.

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Boys I am a walker man, but I can honestly say I have hunted with some really nice black dogs in the last couple of years and there are two lines that have really impressed me. The first is a line that has been around for a long time. A man by the name of Bill Shenker in Oswego, Ks. has them. Bill owned the Fox River Mandy female and currently is advertising his Smokin' Jet dog. Bill is hunting a young dog right now that is outstanding, I dont even think he is a year old and he is a nitech, calls him Smokin' Joe. I hunted with the dog several times when he was about 8 months old and he is awesome. Get by himself, get struck and get treed. When you get there look at Mr. coon and he will hold all the pressure you can put on him. Tree's walker style. At 8 months old I was thouroughly impressed. The other man is Blaise Bauer who is also from Kansas. I have hunted with a couple of pups off his Jr. dog and they were TREEEEEEE DOGS and pretty accurate, good lookin type dogs also. Jr. is a coondog and seems to be producing his likeness and hunting style. If I ever give up on my Holsteins you can bet I will own one of these fellows pups.

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Let's see, Rex is out of Buck II and Mandy. Jet is out of High Roller and Mandy. Junior is out of Jewell, who is out of Buck II and Mandy. Is there a pattern?

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MANDY??? LMAO

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some people say setumupace is throwin ouchie tree dawgs well i have a 2yr old granddaughter to ace she is not ouchie on tree she is a good tree dawg got a 18month old male grandson of harnesshighroller he is a really good tree dawg i raised both these hounds from 8weeks old makes me feel real good both are turnin out to be real good tree hounds both have good noses,speed,accuracy and desire to run and tree coon

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I LIKE WHAT I SEE FROM PUPS OUT OF NORTHERN REX.GOOD TRACK SPEED AND CLASSY TREE DOGS.

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So far the votes have been:Ace 3, Rex 3, KansasJR 2, Jet, Rocket,Ranger,Ax,Zipper,and Dancer all have 1 vote.

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does my vote count??
I've drawn some nice B&T all over the USA, but from what I've just seen here the last couple years Jeff Nelson and his line of dogs do put coon dogs on the ground. I've hunted with many of Jeff's dogs.....even hunted the Rex II (Bud) for Jeff and as a 1 year old he did it with style and was fast and loud tree dog, and he didn't need any company to get the job done. I've seen several pups do nice work in the woods off of Rex and different females so its not just one litter that hit the jackpot......but a high percentage from each litter making the grade.

If I didn't hunt Blue's I know what and where I'd get my next dog from.........and I'm noy color blind either!!!!!

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I have hunted with Kansas Jr and really like him, Loud loud tree dog. Gets deep and will get by him self and have a coon. I hunted with a pup out of Jr that Troy Cornell had that was pretty nice for a young dog. Really nice tree dog. I don't think you could go wrong with ks JR. But i also realize the bnt breed has several nice stud dogs to look at.


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It is good to see people paying attention to what dogs and lines are producing. We have more good choices now than we did just a few years ago. That being said, it still comes down to a good trainer that gets these young dogs in the woods. Too many well bred pups sit on a chain for a year and then get thrown out in the woods expected to perform miracles.

All these good black dogs didn't get to the winners circle sitting on a chain.

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Registered: Jun 2003
Location: Indiana
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If you want to put some tree into your hounds get ya some Ragin' Black Bear blood because he is throwing some awesome tree dogs.You better hurry though he is 9 and counting.

Rick

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Location: Advance, MO
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Ozark Screaming Scar isn't out of Ragin Hoss II. He is out of Myers Mighty Hoss. Those hounds are half brothers out of Screaming Bo, but Hoss II was gone long before Scar was ever born.

I don't know how you determined the votes, but I'm voting for a line of hound, and that is Bo bred dogs. He has several sons in the current reproducers list for UKC and a couple on the all time list that Bo himself is number 2 on.

I agree with Mike. The best bred coonhound is just another yard dog unless you put him in the timber. They have to spend some time in the woods before they are gonna spend much time on the wood.

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does my vote count??
I've drawn some nice B&T all over the USA, but from what I've just seen here the last couple years Jeff Nelson and his line of dogs do put coon dogs on the ground. I've hunted with many of Jeff's dogs.....even hunted the Rex II (Bud) for Jeff and as a 1 year old he did it with style and was fast and loud tree dog, and he didn't need any company to get the job done. I've seen several pups do nice work in the woods off of Rex and different females so its not just one litter that hit the jackpot......but a high percentage from each litter making the grade.

If I didn't hunt Blue's I know what and where I'd get my next dog from.........and I'm noy color blind either!!!!!

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HEY SMOKE !

This is the hillbilly here not with an answer but hopefulley a answer to a question Iv'e got for ya? Or anyone else out there in coon dawg land. I don't know anything but Walker and Bluetick and Iv'e always wanted a Black-n-Tan and I dont see many of them in my neck of the woods, But I know a guy In NC That's got an eight month old pup that's already started and she's from some good blood to all I have to do is go get her. So here's my question is it worth the trip? ****" COME ON I KNOW SOMEONE WANTS TO BRAGG ON BLACK-N-TAN'S ". Let me know something about these dawgs.


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Location: East Windfall Rd, Olean, NY
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Tige should give you some very good hounds that get out and go as well as tree power.

My Dual Champion PR Windfall's Hard Riding Hobie is out of Gr NT CH Hobo's Hoss and GR NT CH Halloway's Tennessee Lady...he has tree power with stickability under pressure of other hounds running track all around him.

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I have seen your ad in the year book for a few years now about your Hobie dog.
I have some Hoss dogs at my house too.
I noticed you bred your Hobie dog at an early age. How you liking those pups?

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Hi Lee,

I like the results of the pups out of his only litter and my old line of hounds that were predominately McDonalds Rider Tom and McDonalds Little Cole (who both had the same sire and dam; I believe, but John McD. may jump in here and correct me!) The hounds made coondogs at young ages and were more open on the track, and they were very strong tree dogs. I believe I got more on the track than what Hobie has, and they are very good on layups.

Out of the 8 I had:
1 female in Lakeview Michigan owned by Bruce Carlson...she made a very independent coondog before she was a year old.
1 female I kept, the runt of the litter. She was a little slower starting, but then came on strong when she was a year old. She is tighter on track than most.
1 male I sold at 10 months old that was running and treeing, a real pretty bawl and slobbermouth, both paws strattling the tree, he would totally lockdown the tree.
1 male the neighbor kid got, he was helping out on the farm and wanted a pup, who started at 4 months old, he had no fear, would pile into a coon and go until he dropped. He is called Smokey and is in the last yearbook ad. This dog would be in competition, but the kid doesn't hunt him only about 2 times a month.
1 male got killed in a road before he was 10 months old while trailing on a coon. He was running and treeing and was a hard hunter at the time.
1 male went to michigan, he is up near Bruce and from what he told me he made a coon hound, but was a little slow starting. I don't think the original owner was hunting him, and when he got into the woods he took off. It was funny this hound was sent down to your state and put in a training program (fenced 50 acre coon pen) and failed and was branded to be shot. The first owner was going to do away with him, and then my friend Bruce told the guy to let him work with him a little bit before, and when he was put into wild coon he took off.

1 male a girl bought because her boyfriend coonhunted. They broke up and the dog was given away to a neighbor as a pet, he is a good looking hound with a good mouth. I took him out at 4 months old and got a coon down to him and he piled right into it and then treed on it when I threw it up in a crotch of a tree. The girl never had him out since. I finally tracked him down and got him into the hands of a coonhunter, he is now treeing with the other hounds, but he seems to have lost that get gone attitude, maybe due to all of the owner changes? As a pup he got gone. This one could probably be bought from the guy who has him as he has been going through some tough times.

I haven't had any other females bred to him so I don't know what the results will be with others. I would have to say that I saw a lot of drive in those pups and I think Hobie and his ancestors had a lot to do with it.

The breeding was an accident, Hobie was 8 months old playing with my female when I was feeding the hounds, and she wasn't in heat yet, (little did I know) and he nailed her 3 days before she started spotting. I thought that it wouldn't take, but it did!

How are you Hoss dogs working out for you? As far as the yearbook, I have a lot more ad that I have dog power. I tried to get all of the kids & there hounds involved in the yearbook so they get excited about the whole coonhound scene, other than feeding and watering dogs. pitching poop, and balancing out those chores with just the enjoyment of coonhunting doesn't always cut it with teenagers with all of the other temptations out there.

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The Hoss dogs have been a pleasure to hunt, I've enjoyed hunting them.
I had one of those accident breedings one time, just about like yours lol but I wont let that happen any more he he. Glad yours turned out, mine didnt.

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Lee,

Where abouts in TN are you located? Have you had any luck with any Tige pups? What are your Hoss hounds on the mothers side?

Dave

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Registered: Jun 2003
Location: Tennessee
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I personally havent had any Tige pups but I have seen several of nice black females owners breed to Tige. Ive seen a few real nice dogs out of Tige too.
Our Hoss dogs mother goes back to Dawn. She is top bred back to Fiddler and bottom bred Bo.
I have a female out of Hoss and a heavy Fiddler bred gyp and also a male out of Hoss and Jewell for Blaise Baur.

We have decided to Super Stake Victor this year to give our breed another choice to breed to. If you would like to see Vics ped go to http://www.geocities.com/lees_coondogs and there are a few pictures of him too.

I live in Middle TN, the north side.

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Registered: Aug 2003
Location: Bear Creek, NC
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For some real hard, classy tree-dogs, I like Bo bred stuff. We've hunted the Albert line, Schenker bred dogs, and some other stuff. From my experience, those that went back to Ozark's Screaming Bo were the best Tree-dogs. We also have a son of Ace that is a nice tree dog, too. Check out http://www.dixieblackntans.com for some pictures of our Ragin Rex dog treed (and a few of our Ace and Splitting Axe dog, too).

A few of our dogs are also Comb's and Smith's Smokey Bred

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The best ever black, and tan tree dog, coon dog that was ever in this country was a half Hammer Breed bitch, and a stock of dog that has been in this country for years.........What a tree dog she was a grand daughter of Kirby's Blue Spike, and a great grand daughter to Uthcman's Southern Blue Hawk on her Mother's side. No Black Dog ever hunted these hills that was any better or any louder than this bitch.

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Location: Illinois
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I could've swore we were talking about B&t's. Not Blue dogs. Tree dogs are nice don't get me wrong. I would rather have an accurate 30 bpm tree dog than a slick treeing idiot 120 bpm tree dog. Take a look at Rex. He has thrown some nice hounds. I'm not trying to take anything away from any stud. I know what I've seen and I know what I've hunted against. I've hunted against no less than 7-10 of Rex's offspring. I would'nt be ashamed to hunt any of them. Are they as good as Rex was?? Some of them yes others no. They were just plain and simple coondogs that could get the job done. You can have your 129-180 bpm treedog. I'll take an accurate 30-90 bpm treedog and put you to shame. Plus when it comes to the 2nd round my dog will still be rearing to go instead of being tired from treeing........ Bottom line show me the meat!!!!!!!!

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