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I have no problem with crossbreeds and grade dogs hunting in the hunts lke is allowed in PKC. I have owned crossbreeds and just had a cross breed litter last year.

But let's call the majestics what they really are............crossbreeds instead of trying to put a name to them making them something more than their not..

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I have to agree with Buckshot on this one.They are cross breeds period. As far as a "majestic hound"standard, as far as I can see if it BIG and has long ears it meets standard.Thars the reason for crossing the bloodhound in. Sorry but in my opinion when you breed for a "look" ability is left by the way side. I would love to see someone show me a "bloodhound" that trees and can keep up with a pack of todays bear hounds in the WOODS.Treeing in the yard on a hang up dont count.

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Ofcoures their Cross Breeds Untill the Breeders Establish a Line of 3-5 Generations. History has shown us that were on the right course in the Way we are breeding. Plus everyone is missing the point of adding Bloodhound. The Bloodhound is part of the Genetic Base of all Hounds and I can Show you .. These Common DNA Markers help us to Jump Back Many more Generations at each Breeding..

In Our next breeding we have High odds of Jumping as Far back as Blue Diamond Jim and even as far back as Mountain Music's Blue..

How ?? Between the English Female and the Majestic Male the First Genetic Common Marker Will be at Mountain Music thru the Very old Smokey River Lines and "Crossed Hound" English Hound "Vanzant's Sam"

And Because these Were large Hounds they will more than likely Meet Single Reg. Majestic Standards ..
The Majestic Tree Hound gives us the Ability to Track our Breeding Efforts, plus gives us the Options of Breeding..

The English Hound lines are the hardest to follow they Cross So Many Times with Other Breeds that is Hard to emagin they Recieved their own Breed Status ???

This is Our Genentic Link to the Great Hounds..

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Steve no offense, but the NKC first registered majestics 28 years ago.

Of course, it wasn't an overnight thing to go into NKC as a individual breed as years of breeding for these hounds led up to a committee being formed to call it a seperate breed instead of a crossbreed or grade hound.

So the majestic breed goes back alot longer than 28 years.

I am not sure how you can establish a line of 3-5 generations of pure majestics when the breeders of today are still crossbreeding the coonhounds and bloodhounds.

Surely enough majestics have been bred over all these years to have 3- 5 generations and not to still have to breed the coonhounds and bloodhounds to maintain the majestic breed.

You call them majestics, I call them, UKC calls them and AKC calls them what they are.............crossbreed.

Plotts x Redbones = crossbreeds, not Plottbones.

Coonhound x Bloodhounds = crossbreeds.

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I say leave these guys alone. Everyone likes something different. Lets show them some respect. I hunt English dogs and have some preconceived notions on other breeds like everyone else(even though Ive seen great ones in all colors) but I wouldn't like someone to come on my posts and bash what I like. Have some respect!

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Some one needs to stand up to those who breed for looks rather than ability. To educate the unwise. The "breeder" (in quotes) who breeds for looks over ability is either very selfishly breeding for puppy sales, or foolish in breeding for what looks nice to themselves, or a small group. I suspect an equal amount of both. I will and have put beautiful looking hounds in a hole because they lacked ability. It's not easy, but necessary. If you dont have the stones to do it, dont even begin to try to breed dogs. Breeding dogs is a huge responsibility, and it should not, and can not be taken lightly. The proper breeding of dogs is not done in a selfish manner, but should be conducted for the future, not the present. For the hounds born way after we're gone, for our childrens, children to enjoy hunting...not just being looked at. I feel VERY strongly about this.

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CBkennels, respect and bashing??

Let's be honest............they are a crossbreed hounds that have been given a "name" to try and legitimatize it.

If they were not crossbreeds then they would be able to sustain breeding on their own without the influx of bloodhounds and coonhounds.

UKC considers them crossbreed.

Facts are facts.................it's with no disrepect or bashing.

I already posted I have no problem with crossbreeds......but let's call them what they really are and that is crossbreeds.

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As a young kid people were always conning me into pups that were "crossbred' ....

I just wanted a dog that would tree coon.....I wasted a lot of time, tears and effort on dogs that didnt have it in them to begin with, To this day it makes me sick to think about it.

They sure were doing a kid a favor...

If you want a dog because of how it looks, great...Whatever blows your hair back.

But IMO these dogs are being misrepresented as dogs that will consistantly track and tree coon, I dont buy it.

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All of our Hounds are Guaranteed to Preform "Thats Your Money Back" ..
We repay "Shipping too" and "Return shipping" of the Hound ..

Now this is how we have allways opperated and will continue to opperate our Kennel ..

I have not at this point Collected all of the Geneitics that I want in our Stock to even concider starting a Line, 6 years for us of breeding is'nt enough But I'am getting Real close ..

We plan a Cross for a year. Extend pedigrees well Past 11 Generations, Thats 1000s of hounds just find Strong Genetic Common "KEYs" It takes 2 common Geneitic KEY's to Open a "DOOR" which at times take us back to 12-15 Generations of hounds ..

Never think for one Min. that any hound post 6 Gen. or more has no sinificant Contribution to a breeding .. !!

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Here is an Example of where the Majestic Tree Hound Helps to preserve Good lines "Geneitics" and Hounds..

The mother of this hound is a Sugar Creek Bluetick and been bred from only the Best Coonhounds and Bear hounds .. Prob was they had been bred in the Mountains here and Never Reg. but her records were kept in a note book..

Because of His Breeding he is Huge !! a true Old line Bluetick
Thus is much to large to Single reg. as a Bluetick..

So the only option was for me to Inspect and test him Then sign for his Single Reg. As a Majestic Tree Hound. And he is a top of the Line Coonhound and Bear hound..




His Sire is bred about as good as you can get..

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I'm not disagreeing that they are crossbreeds, a thing that I am against totally, but to each his own. These guys represent a small number, why dont somebody rip on the walker people for breeding thousands of litters a year, dont see anyone calling them out. I only breed if I want something to hunt, only had one litter of hounds ever, also wouldn't breed my dog if he had nothing to offer the female, or vice versa. Lets stop breeding for money and put some pride back into this sport that I happen to really love. Also if these people want to hunt in case you haven't looked lately its dying lets call out those who give it a bad name. Yes its dying don't look at reg numbers look at the number of hunters period. No offense to walkers and I appologize for stooping to others levels. And to Buckshot look at history apperantly you forgot that crossbred dogs started the lines of Today, so I guess your right facts are facts you must have forgotten.

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LIke Drew said nothing wrong with cross breeds.Ive had em and made crosses in the past. However those crosses were best to best.They were'nt say small and fast to small and fast. Ability was first and fore most.

Steve correct me if Im wrong,isnt one of your main objectives is to breed for size? And length of ear?

I agree that 5 of the 6 coonhound breeds today had "bloodhound" somewhere in their begining.However if it was/is so desirable why have the hounds of today went away from it?

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Steve correct me if Im wrong,isnt one of your main objectives is to breed for size? And length of ear?

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No this is incorrect Its is just part of our Breed standard same as Every Breed of Hound out their..

If you are going to Start a Line of hound and you already have Ability the next thing to start is Conformation Why would anyone Start with "Poor Geneticly Crippled Hounds" ??? This is why we only use the Finest Ability and the Best built hounds ..

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....I agree that 5 of the 6 coonhound breeds today had "bloodhound" somewhere in their begining.However if it was/is so desirable why have the hounds of today went away from it?

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you should know the answer to that.... it is because of competition hunting.... everybody wants SPEED & TREE..... 'hounds of today' R bred to win comp hunts and that's all......

theroy is bigger hounds will tire out quicker than a smaller thinner hounds.....

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......I bet the average will be 60-70lbs.

The hounds bred here are not bred to win hunts they are bred to finish tracks with the game,be it bear or coon in the tree.

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And to Buckshot look at history apperantly you forgot that crossbred dogs started the lines of Today, so I guess your right facts are facts you must have forgotten.

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Buckshot I really do agree with you I guess I felt like some people are picking on a small percent of people. I think that all the breeds should try to make good crosses instead of money. I just feel that if 2% of people like the Majestics then i wouldn't feel right saying nothing. I wasn't trying to dispute your comments cause i agree. I feel like the sport is going downhill and the majestics are not the cause. We all need to start working together to get the dignity back and the future established.

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We have treeing walkers, gascons, english and majestics. We do not discrimate between our hounds. They all hunt and they hunt in their style. They all look good because we take the time, money and effort to make them look good. So we have best of both worlds. For some reason people get side tracked and focus strictly at their size, conformation etc but the truth is they hunt and hunting is what it is about whether it is bear, coon, squirrel or whatever. Respect is a priority. No one is qualified to judge and being so judgemental is not a good quality to have when it comes to a hound that hunts well and does what it is supposed to do. Hunting is hunting outside the realm of competition and whose dog is better than another. Stop putting down something whether it is a crossbreed, purebreed or whatever you want to call it. They all started somewhere and over time they evolved.

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If you are going to Start a Line of hound and you already have Ability the next thing to start is Conformation Why would anyone Start with "Poor Geneticly Crippled Hounds" ??? This is why we only use the Finest Ability and the Best built hounds ..

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I'm gonna catch hell for this but..

I like the way Kong looks, I think he's a handsome looking hound. I've never seen him in person, or seen him hunt though. I have spoke with 2 people who have hunted with him, and they both say he is a coondog, and does well and handles nice. Both people said however, that in a back to back hunt...Friday he hunted like a house of fire, Saturday night, he didnt hunt so hard. This is of course hearsay but I trust the men who said this. Again, I'd be proud to own that dog but...a dog with that kind of size just cant hunt as hard for as long, or as frequently as a hound that's 30 pounds lighter. It simply wont happen...cant happen.

When Kong was bred to that majestic female, it was clearly because of his size and nothing else. I was very surprised when I heard of that breeding because if it were me, I would not have allowed it to happen. Like I've said before, breeding is something to take very seriously. No dog of a majestic size wil ever make it as a hard hunting dog...period. Thats why there are no pics or videos or anyone reputable showing them off. They dont cut it. I laugh when the magestic crowd claims their hounds look like hounds did "back in the day". All the old pics I've ever seen clearly show 60 and 70 pound, thin built hounds...it seems like the only thing that's changed, and slightly is ear length..thats it.

I'll go as far to say that, this board is a UKC Coonhounds board...it says right up there, just have a look. Why these bloodhound crosses are even being discussed on here puzzles me.

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Hey now Everybody Jumps on the Crossed up English Hounds and I mean everybody !! Just look at the Amount of Pups Directly Sired by Clay's Duke And Speck. Crossed Hounds "Mixed Breeds" UKC REG ..

Then Look How Pups Sired By Vanzant's Sam, "Mix Breeds" UKC REG.

My I can Go On and On !!

It seams Like the the English Breed could'nt Stand if everyone Wasn't Behind the Barn Breeding !! It Is a Joke !!

You All Please Read your History !!! I have Posted tons of Facts..

And believe Me They has been much More Bloodhound Added Thru the Years..

Just Do a little Reading .. MJ in your 8 year so called Time with Hound you would think you would have first learned your Hound History

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