Registered: Jun 2003
Location: Illinois
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I think Rick has some good insight. But, instead of grubbing, I have seen a few dogs that moved cold tracks out fairly well in the conditions Rick described. These dogs are rare. Desertdog, not all Eastern dogs are the hot nosed pop up competition dogs that alot of Easterners hunt these days. I have had and currently own some dogs with pretty good noses and have had pups from here make pretty good dry land cougar dogs. I like to think that if Dale Lee had one of my redticks, it would fit right in whth his pack.

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desert dog .. how do they run in the desert right after it does rain? if its 90 degrees and drying up fast id guess it wouldnt be the best running.. i really dont know. i have seen it when its dry that scent is good... no rain in months.. 4% humiditiy. id guess scent was very faint. but also would stay the same a long time.. , a dog that will cold trail would cold trail a very old track. evaporation would be very low. this is what destroys scent.. i dont travel alot. i sure would like to see how my dog would do in those conditions.. ive hunted with a few western dogs . they were comparable to the better eastern dogs. most coonhunters dont want an extremely cold nosed dog. my dogs arent eastern dogs anymore than yours are western... they all come from same ancestors..you select yours to get the job done same as i have... im sure that my dogs would have a problem with that kind of heat, its never been 80 here at 11 at night. if its 90 in the daytime here i dont hunt or i will get out at daylight and if i dont get a run right away im headed home..ive run mine when its 20 and 30 below zero on bobcat.. ive had them strike a fairly old bear track from truck when it was below zero. scents not real hot then either. dogs do cold trail well cause less evaporation. ive heard that hot ground temp can be very hard on dogs feet.. . how much of this is dogs breeding and how much is just conditioning.? also desert dog how many generations back do you go back on your dogs before you see what youd call an eastern dog.. anyways. ive selected dogs for cold nose several generations. the better ones are as cold nose as is practical for me. ill probably never know what theyll do in the desert . they do ok here. the better ones will strike and run tracks older than i really want them too. there is a lot of hot nosed dogs in the east but some coon hunters and most big game hunters select for cold nose and cold trailing ability. find a coon hunter thats hunting where coon are scarce or one that hunts all winter and i bet he doesnt have a hot nosed dog. how about a coon hunter that hunts in the daytime.. ? anyways i find this a very interesting subject.. i dont keep any real hot nosed dogs around.. i had some before and i dont like them.. also if you really want to split hairs there is a big difference between a cold nosed dog and a cold trailing dog.. it is two differnt things.. not all cold nosed dogs will cold trail.. you can pick them out by the way they will fly on a track in tough conditions when other dogs cant. i have one like that here. mother from oregon and father from california.. . so is she an eastern dog... i guess so cause she was born here. she doesnt cold trail but often will get a track up and running while best cold trailers dont have it figured out yet.. sold a pup from her last year. shes the same way.. oh yeah she was bred to a california and idaho bred dog.. now i know if you go back a couple generations there they are from eastern dogs ,a man from nevada recently came here and got a couple pups. he is looking for more nose.. i have one pup same litter... it will be interesting in a couple years to see how these pups compare . im hoping my pupwill turn out and so does his and we can hunt them together either here or there.. pete

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IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN I THINK EVERYBODY'S DOGS RUN THE SAME RIGHT AFTER IT RAINS!

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desert dog. ive heard that real dry ground dogs have a tough time right after a rain... . ive seen it here when its real hot and sunny , get a quick thundershower . it is steamy. the moisture is drying up so fast. dogs do terrible... thats why i asked ? i dont know anything about running in the desert. i do know a little about scent conditions and how it affects my mutts.. i dont run in the real dry conditions you describe. i have selected and bred dogs for best nose i can find.. i treed a bear today. i saw three truckloads of bear hunters that didnt get a run.. one day is just luck.. late in the fall i continue to rig when everybody else has quit. they say bear have denned up.. im still striking them from truck.. i can only compare dogs that i see run in same conditions day after day.. i actually dont have a super cold nosed dog right now. lost mine last fall . im using a two year old and doing ok.. what she will do is strike a track a long ways away.. i can think of several born here i can show you that are as cold nosed as is practical here.. i cant say what theyd do on dry ground lions. best example i can give you is with snow on the ground i only look at tracks to determine size of bear. i dont scour the ground looking for tracks . this is different from dogs i used a few years ago.. i saw plenty of runnable tracks they didnt strike from truck.. rick emerson talks about running coon in the winter. ive done a lot of that years ago.. a good dog is treeing coon when eveybody else hasnt treed one in months.. there are some good cold nosed dogs in the east.. look up the pedigree on your dogs and see where they came from.. the problem with eastern dogs is so many arent even interested in a cold nosed dog.. they arent needed.. nite hunt rules dont really favor this type of dog.. hunts held in the summer when scent is good. those are the dogs you hear about the most.. theres some coon hunters and lots of big game hunters that do have cold nosed dogs . theres lots of places or situations where cold nosed dogs are needed.. i put a lot of emphasis on nose .im not impressed with dogs that can only do it on the good days and i dont care if your talking bear dogs or beagles.. anyways desert dog im very interested in cold nosed dogs.. send me e-mail. what are you using... ? pete

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desert dog. ive heard that real dry ground dogs have a tough time right after a rain... . ive seen it here when its real hot and sunny , get a quick thundershower . it is steamy. the moisture is drying up so fast. dogs do terrible... thats why i asked ? i dont know anything about running in the desert. i do know a little about scent conditions and how it affects my mutts.. i dont run in the real dry conditions you describe. i have selected and bred dogs for best nose i can find.. i treed a bear today. i saw three truckloads of bear hunters that didnt get a run.. one day is just luck.. late in the fall i continue to rig when everybody else has quit. they say bear have denned up.. im still striking them from truck.. i can only compare dogs that i see run in same conditions day after day.. i actually dont have a super cold nosed dog right now. lost mine last fall . im using a two year old and doing ok.. what she will do is strike a track a long ways away.. i can think of several born here i can show you that are as cold nosed as is practical here.. i cant say what theyd do on dry ground lions. best example i can give you is with snow on the ground i only look at tracks to determine size of bear. i dont scour the ground looking for tracks . this is different from dogs i used a few years ago.. i saw plenty of runnable tracks they didnt strike from truck.. rick emerson talks about running coon in the winter. ive done a lot of that years ago.. a good dog is treeing coon when eveybody else hasnt treed one in months.. there are some good cold nosed dogs in the east.. look up the pedigree on your dogs and see where they came from.. the problem with eastern dogs is so many arent even interested in a cold nosed dog.. they arent needed.. nite hunt rules dont really favor this type of dog.. hunts held in the summer when scent is good. those are the dogs you hear about the most.. theres some coon hunters and lots of big game hunters that do have cold nosed dogs . theres lots of places or situations where cold nosed dogs are needed.. i put a lot of emphasis on nose .im not impressed with dogs that can only do it on the good days and i dont care if your talking bear dogs or beagles.. anyways desert dog im very interested in cold nosed dogs.. send me e-mail. what are you using... ? pete

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I've always said if you need more nose and track speed, breed them to a good big game hound.

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i had a bluetick in the early 70s that could run a single coon track for up to 3 hours and get his coon he could smell a track that these dogs today wouldn't plain and simple he struck where you dropped him he would stop long enough to let out bawl like most locates then move i can still hear the dry leaves moving and then that long bawl as he warmed it up his bawls shortened and when he would get the track heated up he would throw in a chop or two he would locate and everything went quite while he started making circles first small then bigger when he was sure he would settle in with a chop at 80 to 100 a minute man i miss that dog ! i got a great walker dog that trees 3 times as many but there are 6 times the coon then there was when they brought 30 bucks in the 70s today a coon would have to be worth 100 bucks to have the buying power that 30 did back then everyone had a coondog !

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