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elvis
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examples......... why do you think the world hunt is held with all the leaves still on?????

why do you think that they still alow all those slick trees to be simply "circled"????

why do you think that the world hunt is almost allways held in the same ole region??? the northeast???

why do you think that they give the dogs a "grace period" for babbling???? why?????? not just a few barks but a whole minute............

why do you think that the hunts are set up so that the two very worst things a dog can do is change there mind and leave a tree or tree a possom????? But yet all the slick trees in the world wont hurt a dog a bit.......... just circle em.......

think on these things and you'll see. The competition hunts are for walker dogs. Period.
Now, its got to the point that the walker boys have so much power and influence that they have ukc and pkc competeing against each other to see who can accomodate and serve the walker dogs and there owners even more. Heck, in pkc you dont even have to see a single coon to have a cast winner.
So now, with all that being said, its easy to see why about 75% to 85% of all the breeders of all these other non-walker dogs are doing there very best to breed for a dog that is just your typical walker dog. It all makes sense if you think about it.

the world hunt is held when the leaves are on for the simple fact that some years by the time the leaves come off,the north is wintered in and travel is dangerous.almost no hunts are scheduled in the northern states in the winter due to the unpredictable weather,not because of the leaves being off lol.

slick trees are not allowed to simply be circled.to circle an obvious slick is cheating.you must however,give a dog the benifit of the doubt if a coon could be in the tree.
sheep,a while back you posted about one of your hunts and you said you made one tree and you couldnt get the coon to look.you seem to have a double standard when it comes to scoreing trees.if its your dog,its"i couldnt get it to look".anyone elses dogs and its"slick".

ukc trys to hold their world hunt somewhere where their are plenty of coon to eliminate or minimize the "bad guide"syndrome.
the best dog in the world cant win if he draws a guide that has no coon and he must go out of hearing to tree a coon.
i personaly think you take a lot of the "luck"out of the hunt if you can put the dogs where they can tree several coon instead of one or none.

i agree with doing away with the one minute grace period,but i certainly dont see it haveing anything to do with walkers.explain that one sheep.

again,i fail to see how the scoreing of slicks and possums benefits a walker dog.heck some of the best grinner treeing machines i have ever seen were walker dogs.

i dont think the rules were designed for walker dogs,if anything the walker was designed for the rules.
sheep,maybe they should have a world hunt open to blue dogs only?

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Mr. Trevis, what you say is both noble and right, but, we all know what happens when some unknown fellow gets on a cast and tries to "rock the boat". Know what I mean?

Sheep just tell them you have made 3600+ post on the UKC websites concerning coon hunting in general and night hunts all the while attending a dozen hunts in your lifetime. If that don't make them sit-up and give the sheepster a little respect, I don't know what would.

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Jeromy Allen
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????

There isn't a certain breed that babbles or slick trees. Every breed has slick treeing idiots. It's what you prefer to hunt. As long as the person that owns the dog is happy then don't put them down for what they own. Sheep you always think that the only dog that babbles and slick trees are walker and your wrong!!!!!!

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quote:
Originally posted by sheepster
examples......... why do you think the world hunt is held with all the leaves still on?????

why do you think that they still alow all those slick trees to be simply "circled"????

why do you think that the world hunt is almost allways held in the same ole region??? the northeast???

why do you think that they give the dogs a "grace period" for babbling???? why?????? not just a few barks but a whole minute............

#1. I agree sheep, I think they should hold the world hunt in early spring with no leaves on.

#2. Can you honestly say you've never walked into a big leafy tree and couldn't find the coon...couldn't even see most of the tree? Do you minus the dogs? What about obvious den trees? What do you do then sheep?

#3. You've said it yourself sheep, you don't have any coon down there. We have piles of them. Nobody likes to see a WORLD Champion win with 75+. People want to tree coons, and lots of them.

#4. There are just more and more hounds being bred that are wound so tight that they really and honestly can't keep their mouth shut. I hate it, and I think that most people do. In all reality though it puts those handlers at a disadvantage. You said yours won't open unless on track, well think of it this way. You can strike your hound immediately, while all the rest of the guys are hesitant so as not to get called for babbling.

Any more questions?

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ELVIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! well hello there ole buddy. Fancy seeing you again. Look partner, its like this. You are a walker man. Thru and thru. Theres no point in me trying to explain all this to you. Were on two different sides of the fence. You know it and I know it. We speak two different languages when it comes to these dogs and most importantly we HUNT in two totally different WORLDS. I have decided to be civilized to you on this one for two different reasons. Number one is its just the right thing to do. And number two is you have been unusally kind and patient towards me the last few weeks. But we gotta face facts elvis, the chances of you and me seeing eye to eye on this or even understanding each other on this is slim to none.

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WOW HUMPY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I CANT HARDLY BELEIVE YOU AGREED WITH ME ON SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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elvis
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sheep

i do not own a dog of any breed.
if youv got enough money,i might be a bluetic man.LOL

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Re: ????

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There isn't a certain breed that babbles or slick trees. Every breed has slick treeing idiots. It's what you prefer to hunt. As long as the person that owns the dog is happy then don't put them down for what they own. Sheep you always think that the only dog that babbles and slick trees are walker and your wrong!!!!!!

Any coonhunter can agree with this.

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elvis, your one of the most well liked and popular guys on this message board and your setting here telling me you dont EVEN OWN A DOG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????? These punks on here make fun of me every chance they get and try to accuse me of not even owning a dog or even ever going coonhunting at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And here you are admitting to it but yet your still KING OF THE MESSAGE BOARD!!!!!!!!??????? whuts the deal??

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Mr. Trevis, what you say is both noble and right, but, we all know what happens when some unknown fellow gets on a cast and tries to "rock the boat". Know what I mean?

Sheep get familiar with people at your local club and rock the boat. GO hunting get involved, make a difference, let people say "I hunted with that sheepster dude, he was as honest as the day is long, called everything like he saw it, I would hope to hunt with him again."

Mike was right, if your not part of the solution you are part of the problem, as we all are in instances like this. If we are not gonna enter our dogs in hunts, learn the rules, give a good honest effort, call things like we see them, then we sure as hell should not be on here talking bad about other people's dogs, or other hunters. And for GODS sake, if someone asks for advice, don't botehr asking the breed of the dog or making generalized statements on breeds of dogs. Whatever we choose to hunt, at least were hunting coondogs! Some of them are better than others and some are world beaters, but for GOD's SAKE just help those who are seeking advice.

Who knows the person you insult or turn off might possibly be the next great hunter/breeder/trainer.

Remember we were all at the bottom at one time, some have moved up alot and some, like me, are still closer to the bottom thean the top.

Sorry to rant fellas, I just get a little tired of all the negativity, lets act like adults here.

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sorry T. if I wasnt "adult like" enough to suit ya. I dont think I'm all that negative like most think, I just speak my mind on sensitive subjects and usually I'm in the vast minority. That usually causes a big fuss.

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Jeromy Allen
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No Sheep

you are the one of the people who bad mouth certain breeds. Very well put T. Beyer.

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T.Beyer
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Sheep that last part wasn't aimed at you, just all of us in general. I mean as long as people can make generalized statements towards hounds, can't we do the same for us forumites?

The first part was aimed at you bud, think about the difference you could make at your local club, just go be a good sport in spite of those who may or may not be doing the same.

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AMEN

T. Beyer

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I agree with T.Beyer. We all should act more like adults on here. However I am still confused as to why it seems like it is Walker people versus the world, or even Feeder bucket vs. Non Feeder bucket people. Why can't someone speak their opinion and be heard, not belittled? If someone is acting a fool why can't we ignore that person and let the thread live on, instead of changing the topic of the thread?

Back to the original question, do you all think it is the competition hunts that have brought the "Walkers vs. the World" mentality on?

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look at the thread "whos gonna win the superbowl" everybody does not/will not/can not agree on everything/anything. I hunt blueticks but relize it is much easier to get a good walker then all other breeds combined.....period, now on the other hand I can drive south to Ft. Towson, Oklahoma and pick me out a bluetick puppy anytime I get ready that more then likelly can compete with any dog of any color ANYWHERE at ANYTIME BAR-NONE.

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It all depends on what you call "good". Everyones opinion of "good" is different. However, for most folks a good dog is one that would do well in competition hunts. The vast majority of coonhunters today feel this way. Thus, thats what people are breeding for and trying to find. Heres a good example of what I mean. About 6 years ago I was "GAVE" a dog by a very good friend of mine. He knew I would like her and we were friends so he gave me the dog. I have described her on here plenty but to make a long story short she has both faults and good points about her. On the negative side she is weak mouthed, doesnt chop on tree (bawls), does not have a very immidiate, distinct changover, takes her time locating a tree, trees possoms. On the positive side she is good natured, fast on track, accurate on tree, and treed me probably 500 or 600 coons with NO FEEDER BUCKETS. She is solely responsible for a WHOLE BUNCH of enjoyable pleasure hunts with me and my buddies. Now, I acquired a walker dog which I GAVE AWAY a few years ago. He was LOUD MOUTHED, HUNTED HARD, BAWLED ON TRACK, CHOPPED ON TREE, TREED 120 BARKS A MINUTE AND NEVER SHUT UP, VERY STEADY CHOP. He also had meat in about 1 out of every 20 trees he treed on. This is in the winter with the leaves off too. You could whup him and he'd go about another 30 or 50 yards and locate the tree like he was looking at the coon and tree 120 barks a minute again and he'd be wrong again and he'd do that all night long if you wanted to keep turning him loose. I gave him away. I hear the guy that has him now loves him. Its all in what you call good.

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Dogs

You have to be an idiot to believe that walkers are the only dogs that slick tree.

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no, there not the only ones but they seem to have it down to an art.

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Slick trees

Just like any other breed.

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waste'en your time sheep

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[B]It all depends on what you call "good". Everyones opinion of "good" is different. However, for most folks a good dog is one that would do well in competition hunt

********I deleted most of sheepsters post. Sheepster, Im not gonna get on you anymore for your post but if your trying to tell me what a good dog is your wasteing your time. from the way you describe your hound I would not own her, I expect a dog to go get under a COON 90% of the time I cut them lose and it makes no diff. where I am. The very beg. of your post you said good is diff. in every one's opinion...what did my post say ?? also I could care less if a hound has grnite or nite in front of its name. I go to comp/ hunts if their close because I made a promise to my hounds sire's owner that I'd put a hunt title on them if they were capable, they both are so I'll do as I said. Now nite ch. will be good enough for me, if he wants them granded out he can come get them and has said he would. believe it or not, there are dogs out their that are COONDAWGS IN ANY MANS BOOK !!!

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Re: waste'en your time sheep

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********I deleted most of sheepsters post. Sheepster, Im not gonna get on you anymore for your post but if your trying to tell me what a good dog is your wasteing your time. from the way you describe your hound I would not own her, I expect a dog to go get under a COON 90% of the time I cut them lose and it makes no diff. where I am. The very beg. of your post you said good is diff. in every one's opinion...what did my post say ?? also I could care less if a hound has grnite or nite in front of its name. I go to comp/ hunts if their close because I made a promise to my hounds sire's owner that I'd put a hunt title on them if they were capable, they both are so I'll do as I said. Now nite ch. will be good enough for me, if he wants them granded out he can come get them and has said he would. believe it or not, there are dogs out their that are COONDAWGS IN ANY MANS BOOK !!!

***ooopps. one more thing sheep, I really dont know how bawl mouth tree dog is a fault...you see that is also an opinion, I own both and would not change either's tree mouth....love'em both. bawl mouth dog can tree just as intence and tree as many coons as a chop mouth tree dog. GAURENTEED.

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no show, you dont feed my dog, I do. I dont care if you like em or not. I was just making a point about people having personall preferrences. Glad your dogs are perfect. I'm sure you are too.

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sheep

do you mean you have been lying to us all this time about how thin your coon populatuon is or are you lying about the 500 coon your dog has been under 500 coon for someone that spends his time on the message board seems like a lot of coon to me as you also have told us how many possum your dog has treed.

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no show, you dont feed my dog, I do. I dont care if you like em or not. I was just making a point about people having personall preferrences. Glad your dogs are perfect. I'm sure you are too.

***they nor I have and will never do nothing wrong. you have. A.D.S. dont you

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