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Sorry, I thought you supported this bill. I have been trying to get someone to give me a few reasons on why they support this bill for a couple weeks.

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Hey Joe, I'm sick of it too. I'm moving everything and anything that has to do with PAWS to the legislative board. If anyone has comments regarding this proposed legislation, please express it there.

I'm getting tired of the accusation that UKC has motives other than to make people aware of what we feel is bad legislation. It's not like there are ten groups supporting it and we only chose to list AKC and two anti groups to make AKC look bad. Anybody else makes the facts known and it's fine. UKC does and it's dirty. So what do we do, cover the whole thing up, watch this pass and get the satisfaction of what, about three people saying, "At least they were good sports in losing", while the vast majority of our customers criticize us, and rightfully so, for not taking a role in defeating this legislation? Right.

The truth is, it's our position that this is bad legislation and defeating it MUST come first. In the dog world, this very important topic cannot even be discussed without mentioning AKC because they had a role in it, whatever that role was. And whatever happened on their message board is nothing I had control over. If people are upset, it's not my fault. And I have stayed completely out of any challenges that have been stated that I know for a fact are not true.

Your right, our terms of use only warn that we will not allow posts that promote competitors programs. If people are criticizing our competitors, I'm sorry, that's their opinion. They criticize me and UKC on here also. I don't take those posts down either. It's the position you put yourself in when you take this job and we are all well aware of it. Yes, I have personal opinions regarding this topic that I would love to make. Unfortunately, I'm not in the position to do that. I wish I was. I truely wish I was.

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Where is Redtick when you need him?

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UKC should be ashamed of you TODD! Letting someone (STEVE) getting publicly slamed on there board! and then making exuses as to why your letting it happen! No matter your stance on this issue or UKC'S stance your sopposed to moniter this board for negitivitys about others and your not when it benifits UKC or todd kellam now are you?????? you should try to act professional about this!.........................Take a look at the professional kennel clubs site, they will not even allow us to slam on UKC?????? LETS SEE HOW LONG THIS POST STAYS UP WITHOUT THE PROFESSIONALS OF UKC OWNERS, EMP, OR FOLLOWERS,SAYING SOMETHING NEGITIVE ABOUT ME OR DELEATING THIS POST?

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The truth is, it's our position that this is bad legislation and defeating it MUST come first. In the dog world, this very important topic cannot even be discussed without mentioning AKC because they had a role in it, whatever that role was.

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You all are Crazy, you are making it a Todd Kellam Versus Steve Fielder wrestling Match. What does Steve fielder of Todd Kellam have to do with anything. Steve just happens to work for a company that is publicly "in bed" with a bunch of radical Anti hunters. Todd Kellam just happens to work for a company that is willing to stand up to the Anti hunters and and Anti Dog people that are trying to regulate your dogs. Go ahead and lump it on the two of them and you lose sight of what is really going on. I know deep down that Steve is against PAWS but his paycheck tells him to speak otherwise. i personally would never outright spin a story to fellow coonhunters that I didn't believe in, but hey thats me.

ANother thing, UKC must be the most powerful animal related business in the world. They have done everything in their power to keep AKC DDAL, HSUS and PETA as the only supporters. It is all UKC's fault. They are pulling a bunch of dirty underhanded politics to get everyone to vote against it. MAn, UKC is powerful. NOT!!!!!!! Wake up, there are 100's of names on the list other than UKC, ITS A BAD BILL, THATS IT! And AKC is backing it, sorry for them.

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CAN YOU SAY FALLING FACE FIRST RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE!

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I swear a bunch of hypocrites. You all talk about people bashing AKC then you come on here and bash UKC. Where in the world would coonhunters be without UKC. AKC wants a piece of the pie. They see how much money is in coonhounds that hunt. AKC's main fancy will be show dogs. AKC's higher ups don't give a crap about hunting at all. Thier cash crop is show dogs. How in the world is UKC feeling a pinch from AKC. To register AKC you have to have a UKC registered dog with a PR pedigree. I know for a fact what AKC has done to some hunting breeds and will not support them.

It is ok for some people in AKC's departments to make slurs toward other people but if those people dispute those accusations they are wrong. Give me a break if I remeber correctly some people made slurs first on another board adn called certain people liars. I don't blame someone for comming back with thier side of the story. Certain people made the statement that because someone is opposed to PAWS they have not done anything to better the breed. Some people stated false statements and made personal remarks toward someone and that person is telling thier side of the story. Certain people have made false statements on boards that were not true at all and I am not talking about opinions either. Others have come back to prove those statements wrong. So I guess it is ok for AKC to throw all the pitches and noone hit any back.

Is it anyones fault AKC is in this position but AKC. No it is not it is thier own. As I have found out to support something so contriversial you will take some heat that is how it is. Especially when you are dealing with politics. UKC stated thier position on the bill so what from what I have seen UKC is getting alot more of AKC's business than the other way around. So now AKC has to start throwing back since UKC put its stance out there to be known for everyone. Have any coonhunters that do not have a computer recieved anything from AKC on this no they haven't. This is just the way I see it.

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I swear a bunch of hypocrites. You all talk about people bashing AKC then you come on here and bash UKC. Where in the world would coonhunters be without UKC. AKC wants a piece of the pie. They see how much money is in coonhounds that hunt. AKC's main fancy will be show dogs. AKC's higher ups don't give a crap about hunting at all. Thier cash crop is show dogs. How in the world is UKC feeling a pinch from AKC. To register AKC you have to have a UKC registered dog with a PR pedigree. I know for a fact what AKC has done to some hunting breeds and will not support them.

It is ok for some people in AKC's departments to make slurs toward other people but if those people dispute those accusations they are wrong. Give me a break if I remeber correctly some people made slurs first on another board adn called certain people liars. I don't blame someone for comming back with thier side of the story. Certain people made the statement that because someone is opposed to PAWS they have not done anything to better the breed. Some people stated false statements and made personal remarks tow

ard someone and that person is telling thier side of the story. Certain people have made false statements on boards that were not true at all and I am not talking about opinions either. Others have come back to prove those statements wrong. So I guess it is ok for AKC to throw all the pitches and noone hit any back.

Is it anyones fault AKC is in this position but AKC. No it is not it is thier own. As I have found out to support something so contriversial you will take some heat that is how it is. Especially when you are dealing with politics. UKC stated thier position on the bill so what from what I have seen UKC is getting alot more of AKC's business than the other way around. So now AKC has to start throwing back since UKC put its stance out there to be known for everyone. Have any coonhunters that do not have a computer recieved anything from AKC on this no they haven't. This is just the way I see it.

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Joe I am more opposed with PAWS than AKC. I will say on both sides slurs need to stop. Yet from my position from what I have seen the more personal remarks have came from the other side and others can't dispute it there so they go somewhere else. I will say it needs to stop from all sides I have started not naming names just saying someone or some poeple. The personal remarks need to stop IMO. and stick to the facts and opinions on the bill. Not anyone who does this is this and then it steamrolls from there and goes personal insterad of fighting for the cause.

Joe I greatly respect you for your lack of division it is hard to do. I catch myself going over the edge then I try to pull myself back up.

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Lets face it, AKC is here for the Big City lap warmers. The westminster, and all that other show dog crap. How come you never see a treeing walker in the westminster? I have seen some treeing walkers that looked alot better than those dang floor mops that win all the time and their multi millionare owners sitting in the stands with their 100,000 thousand dollar handlers prancing around the stadium like a peter pan.

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if your not leading a french poodle around a ring in a televised event then AKC DOES NOT CARE ABOUT YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How much plainer can we all make it to you guys? Some of you have wrote novels on this whole crazy subject about the Paws bill but the bottom line is this......... AKC IS A BAD ORGANIZATION. STAY AWAY FROM THEM AND DO NOT SUPPORT THEM. nuff said.

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Jason,

First, what you are saying is a perfect example of what I have been trying to get across all day. Bashing another person or organization will only serve to separate us into different camps.

Secondly, I would be most intersted if you would send me an email with your reasons and rational for your feelings. You have my email address.

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i agree 100percent with your post hoever steve is akc's head man in akc's coonhoind program why should he be allowed to delete peoples questions seeking knowledge on the paws bill i think there entitled to an answer what is ukc hiding from us
hell i'm 67 years old and still remember my grandfather saying telling half the truth is the same as lying
id akc would have answered the questions perhaps the posts on this forum wouldn't have appeared as we all know akc reads our forum and knows how we feel both sides of the issue i have all my coonhounds papers filled out for akc but won't send till we get some answers to our questions steve fielder has posted on this forum mant times where is he now if he is not hiding he would answer some questions and answer them truthfully or at least say he has no comment

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Sheepster, if you can't call your own dog in the woods, then how do we know that YOU aren't leading a french poodle?

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ive known steve fielder many years.
ive always found him to be up front and honest.i consider him a friend.
if you feel he is working for a company that is joining forces with peta,then i say we better give him our support and hope his new coonhunting program prospers.that is the only way he will gain the clout within the akc to sway them back towards the hunters.
i garantee you he is one of us and will fight a great fight for our hunting rights.
that certainly doesnt mean you need to support akc's stance on the paws bill,but i really hope you can see that we need steve fielder fighting for us within akc for years to come.

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Elvis look at beagles beagles up until recently (past couple of years) has been the #1 registered dog with AKC. AKC didn't listen to them what makes you think they will listen to us. Beagles have went from #1 to I believe it is #7. Rabbit hunter are getting fed up with AKC higher ups not listening to them. So why would I think that me giving AKC money would support my interest. It won't in my opinion it will only give them money to support what they want. This is just my opinion from what I have seen.

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What we are doing now is causing a huge division amongst our own kind.

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Seems this thread has gotten WAY OFF from the intentions. So lets let this one rest for a while.

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