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It sure would be nice if someone would scan and post that article.

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Are we allowed to? Or are there copyright issues or something along those lines??

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Are we allowed to? Or are there copyright issues or something along those lines??

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Kinda like you would figure they want folks to go by the adviser. Yet they charge you and your clubs to buy one lol. We can't help we ain't got no money for bloodlines!! Somebody post it.

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I dont care if they GREET ya but they better be either on their way to the handler or on their way back to that tree. 20 feet off the tree east or west with their nose on the ground and they aint treed....there minused. I figure this is a situation where a little common sence goes a long way and my standard would be if i was huntin that dog alone and walked into him would i have to waste time figuring out which tree he was on? If that dog isnt doing something to show treed he deserves minus points.

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You guys can like those sit back loose tree dogs all ya want. I want mine glued to the side of that tree blowin the top out and preferably on the spot the coon climbed (makes findin the coon easier) and knowin nothin will move him ever.

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If the article is that important it should be a sticky at the top of the page or a copy sent out to all the clubs..I would like to see it myself.

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You guys can like those sit back loose tree dogs all ya want. I want mine glued to the side of that tree blowin the top out and preferably on the spot the coon climbed (makes findin the coon easier) and knowin nothin will move him ever.

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You can want yours glued all you want to but you cannot minus mine La te da te da!! if he sits back or even meets me off the tree and goes back to "treeing satisfactorily" I think is the way it is worded. Once again, I am working on a line that is belly up , one leg wrapped and points like a pointer with the other foot. Extremely stylish!!!. I like it and everydody else had better getting to liking it too and breeding for it. Once I get that style I am going to minus every regular old two legged belly rubber in sight. LOL

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Put me on the list for a pup.

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If the article is that important it should be a sticky at the top of the page or a copy sent out to all the clubs..I would like to see it myself.

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This really has nothing to do with and is NOT about what kind of treedog you like, dislike or prefer. It is a rule question. Either you are willing to judge it the way UKC wants it judged or you are not. Simple as that.

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Yes , there is a thread on the next page "How many people Listen?" Talking about the MOH reading the main rules prior to the hunt. Maye this one should be added LOL if anybody listens anyway. Sounds like some are going to do it the way they WANT to do it anyway.

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Oh my favorite kind of post,,,,,look for answers but defend against all replies until you hear what you want.

Simply put. It can meet you a little off the tree and/or go right back. Milling around the tree with nose to the ground isn't treed.

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The rules read different in PKC than in UKC on this one the bluebook in PKC says that a dog that is seen not showing tree should be minused and the back of the UKC card says that a dog can meet his handler a short distance provided he goes back and shows tree satisfactorily.Some will minus em on a UKC hunt cause they have been hunting in PKC and are used to minusing them when they are seen not showing tree not realizing that UKC specificaly states on the back of the card that they shouldn't be minused as long as they go back and show tree.

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The rules read different in PKC than in UKC on this one the bluebook in PKC says that a dog that is seen not showing tree should be minused and the back of the UKC card says that a dog can meet his handler a short distance provided he goes back and shows tree satisfactorily.Some will minus em on a UKC hunt cause they have been hunting in PKC and are used to minusing them when they are seen not showing tree not realizing that UKC specificaly states on the back of the card that they shouldn't be minused as long as they go back and show tree.

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The rules read different in PKC than in UKC on this one the bluebook in PKC says that a dog that is seen not showing tree should be minused and the back of the UKC card says that a dog can meet his handler a short distance provided he goes back and shows tree satisfactorily.Some will minus em on a UKC hunt cause they have been hunting in PKC and are used to minusing them when they are seen not showing tree not realizing that UKC specificaly states on the back of the card that they shouldn't be minused as long as they go back and show tree.

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I dont care if they GREET ya but they better be either on their way to the handler or on their way back to that tree. 20 feet off the tree east or west with their nose on the ground and they aint treed....there minused. I figure this is a situation where a little common sence goes a long way and my standard would be if i was huntin that dog alone and walked into him would i have to waste time figuring out which tree he was on? If that dog isnt doing something to show treed he deserves minus points.

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It amazes me that people want to hunt and win. I understand that BUT NOBODY WANTS TO TAKE THE MINUS POINTS THEY HAVE COMING.

if you feel that things arent being done correctly you have the right to question it. Write or call UKC if you have to take it that far.

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Despite what some think. The hunts are not full of cheats and crooks. They are full of folks with different opinions. You can just judge it however you see it. If you don't like a call. Question it. If 3 see it your way. You win If not. Your probably blind to what your hound is actually doing. A lot of this blindness happens!!

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How many times have you been on a cast where everybody says"judge mine may meet you off tree" just in case there dog is off wandering around. I'm sure this situation is abused just as much where the dog that is not really treed gets scored on the tree vs the mean old judge that didn't judge it right and minused my dog. Best thing i can tell you is carry the card and judge it the way you see fit.

I just don't see how anybody can say a dog that has his nose on the ground working around can be considered treed/coming to greet you.

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Lol well its pretty easy dean. A little common sense goes along ways doesnt it? If a dog is treed and clearly heard treeing there the whole time and all the sudden as the cast approaches the tree the dog is off the tree with its head down and proceeds right back to the tree was it trailing? I think we all know the answer, hey if you feel obligated to screw someone over it more power to you. What goes around comes around.

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Despite what some think. The hunts are not full of cheats and crooks. They are full of folks with different opinions. You can just judge it however you see it. If you don't like a call. Question it. If 3 see it your way. You win If not. Your probably blind to what your hound is actually doing. A lot of this blindness happens!!

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Carl, you are mistaken about a few things .
Every cast must have a judge. If a cast member is given the card, that cast member is the judge of that cast.
And not only can the judge alone minus a dog for leaving a tree, but in fact, the judge is REQUIRED to make that call if he observes or hears a dog off the tree. And it is not a voting situation until and unless someone questions the judges decision. Then it would take a majority to overrule the judge.

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Id just go back and UN MINUS the dog if I thought I messed up.

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