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If just being there doesn't constitute a scratch then you would have to see a dog run a deer before you can scratch it and we all know that is not the way the rule reads. It is the judges decision. Just as in this case the judge thought it constituted a scratch. I know the guy who asked the question and he knows the rules as good as anybody.

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Originally posted by Lee Currens Jr.
how do you know a coon didnt go threw where the deer took off
some of these old long legged cliff coons will run a mile just listen
to the stories on here.

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if the dog came from the north the possum came from the south
they have hunted the whole woods the dog hadnt said word
where do you want him at?i dont see that it matters either way
if its the 1st drop and we dropped in a possum woods

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Scratched.

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too bad u want be able to scratch them gamecocks in a few months

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Originally posted by nccoonhunter197
Not the point. I know what you mean about running long legged coon. If you can scratch a dog for running a deer you don't see but you can't scratch a dog for being at a tree with a possum in it.

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define "at the tree" ....


was it ON the tree? near the tree? how close? what was it doing??


why was it handled??? judge said to? why??

i dont care if a dog aint barking or not if it is AT a tree its guilty enough for me...to me if it is on the tree or sitting at the base of the tree its going home with the other dog....

i dont understand why the dog was handled...me thinkin it was literally AT the tree..barking or not i am sending it home...if it was not AT the tree why was it handled?? let it do what it is doing...2 things will happen...it'll go hunting or it'll tree on that tree and its going home....

i guess if the judge said it was scratched and to handle it, i can understand handling it....but, if it was not AT or ON the tree, i would question it and we'd go back to the club....


ive ran a dog that wont bark on possums....but when you walk through the woods and find a fresh dead possum and find your dog treed under a coon 10 mins later with a bloody face, well, you can guess what happens....if she finds one on the ground she'll grab it and kill it...wont bark...wont tree em...but if she can catch em they are dead...youd have to catch her in the act....which is a challenge as it takes a second or 2 and thats that and shes gone..


was the dog ever struck in??

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define "at the tree" ....


was it ON the tree? near the tree? how close? what was it doing??


why was it handled??? judge said to? why??

i dont care if a dog aint barking or not if it is AT a tree its guilty enough for me...to me if it is on the tree or sitting at the base of the tree its going home with the other dog....

i dont understand why the dog was handled...me thinkin it was literally AT the tree..barking or not i am sending it home...if it was not AT the tree why was it handled?? let it do what it is doing...2 things will happen...it'll go hunting or it'll tree on that tree and its going home....

i guess if the judge said it was scratched and to handle it, i can understand handling it....but, if it was not AT or ON the tree, i would question it and we'd go back to the club....


ive ran a dog that wont bark on possums....but when you walk through the woods and find a fresh dead possum and find your dog treed under a coon 10 mins later with a bloody face, well, you can guess what happens....if she finds one on the ground she'll grab it and kill it...wont bark...wont tree em...but if she can catch em they are dead...youd have to catch her in the act....which is a challenge as it takes a second or 2 and thats that and shes gone..


was the dog ever struck in??

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I don't have an advisor to go by Maybe you answered it but what you gonna do to this same situation if its a coon instead of a possum?

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I don't have an advisor to go by Maybe you answered it but what you gonna do to this same situation if its a coon instead of a possum?

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I agree with Rip 100% . can go one better have 2 dogs in treed after 5 is up go in to tree only one dog there minus one for leaving score it big ole grinner 2nd dog that left is not scratched do not know for sure it was on same tree dog c mine never been struck in comes into check why we are arguing the scrathes and sort blows up one time without checking guess what he got me an early exit where as if he would of checked 1st then left we would of been ok

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RIP IS CORRECT

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This thread is a good example of one of the problems with the hunts today, judges don't agree with UKC's interpretation of the rules so they just substitute what they think it should be for what it is. The other problem is the number of MOH's that don't know what it is.

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I wonder if he was struck in????

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Why would you have to handle a dog not treed???? You dont! Unless the dog is litterally AT the tree or tree AT/ON that tree...in which case he is handled and going home opening or not....

If he is simply in the area he does not need handled....i believe handling a dog out hunting is a scratch on its own...

The dog was either guilty enough to be scratched and handled or it was hunting....well....thats how it should go anyways...


I wasnt there so i dont know....but if the dog is there and not leaving he is getting sent home opening or not IMO...

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Why would you have to handle a dog not treed???? You dont! Unless the dog is litterally AT the tree or tree AT/ON that tree...in which case he is handled and going home opening or not....

If he is simply in the area he does not need handled....i believe handling a dog out hunting is a scratch on its own...

The dog was either guilty enough to be scratched and handled or it was hunting....well....thats how it should go anyways...


I wasnt there so i dont know....but if the dog is there and not leaving he is getting sent home opening or not IMO...

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Why would you have to handle a dog not treed???? You dont! Unless the dog is litterally AT the tree or tree AT/ON that tree...in which case he is handled and going home opening or not....

If he is simply in the area he does not need handled....i believe handling a dog out hunting is a scratch on its own...

The dog was either guilty enough to be scratched and handled or it was hunting....well....thats how it should go anyways...


I wasnt there so i dont know....but if the dog is there and not leaving he is getting sent home opening or not IMO...

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I agree with Rip 100% . can go one better have 2 dogs in treed after 5 is up go in to tree only one dog there minus one for leaving score it big ole grinner 2nd dog that left is not scratched do not know for sure it was on same tree dog c mine never been struck in comes into check why we are arguing the scrathes and sort blows up one time without checking guess what he got me an early exit where as if he would of checked 1st then left we would of been ok

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i got another question.... is there ever a time where you can score the same tree twice.... like first time you score it a coon is scored..... later in the hunt another dog trees on the scored tree coon is gone but a possum is there

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i got another question.... is there ever a time where you can score the same tree twice.... like first time you score it a coon is scored..... later in the hunt another dog trees on the scored tree coon is gone but a possum is there

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Nope, never. This was covered in an Advisor too. The situation was a cornfield with only one tree in the middle of it. They treed on it the first time, no leaves and the tree was minused. Then they treed on it again and a coon was on the bottom limb. Different dog, same tree.

Could not score that tree. No points for a previously scored tree period, whether they be plus, minus or circle. Don't matter. Can't score a tree twice ever.

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It says no points, not no scratch LOL.

Nt Ch is subject to scratch at any time under the authority of the judge EXCEPT when it comes in to a tree after the judge arrives (why they decided this I don't know but they did) and now they have changed it further to until the hunt is over (used to they could be scratched coming back into the clubhouse after winning the cast, now they have changed it to "until the expiration of hunt time".

The Advisor has likely covered the scratching at a previously scored tree but I honestly don't remember it.

The tree has been scored, no reason to even look in the tree. The dog would have technically arrived AFTER the judge arrived because they have already scored it but I don't know what UKC will rule on that.

That one will depend on what the Advisor says about it because I think I remember them covering it but I don't remember what they said, and they have changed that significantly over the last few years with regards to when they are subject to scratch.

My bet is since they don't allow the dog to be scratched for coming in after the judge arrives they probably won't allow it to be scratched at a previously scored tree. I can see them going both ways with it, but since they already went one way with the coming in after the judge arrives then I would bet they went that way on the previously scored tree.

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why is it so hard for people to understand the rules. every day on here its the same thing, one says yes and one says no. if its that hard to understand what the rules are then ukc better rewright the whole rule book. there is always someone trying to bend the rules to what they see fit. rules are rules and if you cant read what is in front of you then you shouldnt be allowed to compete. thats jmo. either way its almost funny sometimes to read all these post about what the rules are. just like when i was racing you try to bend the rules as much you can with out getting caught.

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Rip, do you just like to argue?? My point is that dog is either at the tree and getting leashed and scratched or it is not at the tree....

Being in the area does not scratch them and a dog in the area does not need handled...common sense here...dog is either at the tree or it aint...i think we agree you just misunderstood me....


The original poster didnt answer us on what the dog in question was actually doibg or where it was actually seen....could been 50yds away seen milling around...could been standi g on the tree but not barking...

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What you can't seem to grasp is that the CAN be AT THE TREE and not be treeing in which case the dog cannot be scratched under UKC rules. Just because a dog is at the tree doesn't mean it is treeing.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by mauser06
[B]Rip, do you just like to argue?? My point is that dog is either at the tree and getting leashed and scratched or it is not at the tree....

YOU ARE NOT GETTING IT , THE DOG IS NOT SCRATCHED IN UKC RULES

YOU HAVE NO POINT

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