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Maybe to be sure we're all on the same page on the exact scenario, because I'm not 100% sure I am, I'll provide the following scenario. And give us your answer. If you fail then you should respectfully decline to judge the next time you're asked to as a reminder that you were wrong in scoring this situation Just kidding but the losers should get something shouldn't they?

Ok.... Three dog cast. A and B are declared struck and treed. C is still out and has not been struck. Tree is dead and then scored. A and B are led a short distance away and recast. A and B turn back towards the scored tree and strike in again. They're declared struck for 100 and 75. Now they tree but no one trees as they are likely back on the same tree. The cast heads towards them to check. On their way in, Dog C opens and is declared struck. What strike points are awarded to Dog C?

BTW - A and B were in fact on the previously scored tree if that makes any difference to you.

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Originally posted by john Duemmer
Well Allen in a 3 dog cast i dont know how you get a dog D?

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allen meant dog c. I hope lol

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dog C strikes for 50. two can play that game Allen

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Not sure where you guys come up with a Dog D?

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dog D strikes for 50 and dog C is at large with nothing. if dog C were to strike before A and B get turned loose again, dog C would go in for 25

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Not sure where you guys come up with a Dog D?

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Just answer the question Hack. You waitin' to see everyone elses' answer first? Huh? lol.

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im confused lol

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The problem and I think where Trevor feels cheated is with these dogs going right back, wasting 1st and 2nd strike away from the dog that did what he was suppose to do (go hunting) and then getting those strike positions deleted after dog C has gone hunt'in, found a coon and struck honest. And all he gets is 50 strike because a couple numbnuts never bothered to break their dogs from going back. And they don't break them because going back don't cost a thing.

You don't hear anyone complaining about this situation in the other KC's because your dog goes back twice over there, he is going to he truck.

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C goes on the card for 50, they are still on there way in to check...might be a different tree.

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my cast was 3 dogs. Where ya coming up with d?

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that was allens senario before he edited it !!

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Just when I thought this thread couldn't get any more confusing....

But to answer the question, C goes in for 50

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The problem and I think where Trevor feels cheated is with these dogs going right back, wasting 1st and 2nd strike away from the dog that did what he was suppose to do (go hunting) and then getting those strike positions deleted after dog C has gone hunt'in, found a coon and struck honest. And all he gets is 50 strike because a couple numbnuts never bothered to break their dogs from going back. And they don't break them because going back don't cost a thing.

You don't hear anyone complaining about this situation in the other KC's because your dog goes back twice over there, he is going to he truck.

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The problem and I think where Trevor feels cheated is with these dogs going right back, wasting 1st and 2nd strike away from the dog that did what he was suppose to do (go hunting) and then getting those strike positions deleted after dog C has gone hunt'in, found a coon and struck honest. And all he gets is 50 strike because a couple numbnuts never bothered to break their dogs from going back. And they don't break them because going back don't cost a thing.

You don't hear anyone complaining about this situation in the other KC's because your dog goes back twice over there, he is going to he truck.

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I don't know why everyone is crying aboout dog C only getting 50 when dogs A and B already put a tree on dog C. It dosen't really matter if dog c gets alone all nite if the other dogs in the cast are treeing coon faster. The fact that they went back to the scored tree just gives dog C a chance to catch up for being a slower tree dog and you want to award the dog for that makes no scense. If there just slick treeing all nite and dog C is treeing coon than thats a bad brake on strick pts for dog C as far as placement at the end of the hunt. But if dogs A and B are treeing coon than dog C is just slow.

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I don't know why everyone is crying aboout dog C only getting 50 when dogs A and B already put a tree on dog C. It dosen't really matter if dog c gets alone all nite if the other dogs in the cast are treeing coon faster. The fact that they went back to the scored tree just gives dog C a chance to catch up for being a slower tree dog and you want to award the dog for that makes no scense. If there just slick treeing all nite and dog C is treeing coon than thats a bad brake on strick pts for dog C as far as placement at the end of the hunt. But if dogs A and B are treeing coon than dog C is just slow.

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If the other two dogs are finding coon faster than yes, if the other two are slick treeing idiots, then no. Dog C did a nice job if he/she had a coon. Should they have gone back, no and like I said that only gives dog C a chance to make up for being slower if they did indeed have a coon to begin with. Otherwise they possibly could have gotten in there and treed another coon as dog C was treeing his 1st. Therefore had dog C gotten to take 100 strike how would that had been fair to the other two dogs that could have treed 2 coon to dog C's one. ( granted one of the dogs is most likely a me two dog).

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I don't know why everyone is crying aboout dog C only getting 50 when dogs A and B already put a tree on dog C. It dosen't really matter if dog c gets alone all nite if the other dogs in the cast are treeing coon faster. The fact that they went back to the scored tree just gives dog C a chance to catch up for being a slower tree dog and you want to award the dog for that makes no scense. If there just slick treeing all nite and dog C is treeing coon than thats a bad brake on strick pts for dog C as far as placement at the end of the hunt. But if dogs A and B are treeing coon than dog C is just slow.

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When you live in OH, you better pack a hound that can get it done fast. There is no reason for a dog to get deep, because they just past up a bunch of coon. Treeing one coon here won't get you anywhere. I will take a dog that goes back to one tree in a hunt as long as he treed 3 or 4 when it takes all nite for another dog to tree one. I'm just saying!

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When you live in OH, you better pack a hound that can get it done fast. There is no reason for a dog to get deep, because they just past up a bunch of coon. Treeing one coon here won't get you anywhere. I will take a dog that goes back to one tree in a hunt as long as he treed 3 or 4 when it takes all nite for another dog to tree one. I'm just saying!

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The loner only wins in coon country when coon are not moving. Alot of nice coonhounds don't win here in OH because they get to deep. Thats why the best dogs don't always win. The pack rats do alot of the big winning. The best dog in thick coon are the ones that tree there own and get a pice of everyone elses. The dog i'm hunting now will slam coon left and right and if a dog beats him to a tree he will back it if he's running the same track or split, but if you cut them back in he will get deep in a hurry to get away from the other dogs and get wooded. Thats what I like because i've seen good dogs that are always alone get beat to often. Just so you know i'm not trying to fight with you if thats what you like have at it.

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Hey you know what you like and thats all that matters. I win with dead loners when I win. Everyone has their own prefrence. If I lost more then I won trust me I may have a different oppinion. Dogs that will cover will cover a dog thats wrong at some point when it will really hurt. Remember that. I have seen it time and time again. There are FAR to many coon to see 3 or 4 dogs on 1 tree. Think Mr clean runs around covering dogs? How about Mojo? How about Homer? I could go on and on. These big winners do not look up behind anything. Hey, dont take my word for it call em and ask to set up a hunt.

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That is true in most cases if they back they will back a bad tree. However, if they are not a hard tree dog I have found that they won't back bad trees like a wood monster does. My line of dogs will set up those wood monsters locate on a tree draw them in and fall treed split behind them 50 yrds with the meat. Look at the % of were those dogs u mentioned win. They do better out of OH, with the exception of Mojo but he don't win by getting alone he wins on track pts.

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2 dogs strike and tree , wait the 5, score the tree and recast.
they still have time to go back to the tree again before dog c strikes close by and we are bellyachin cause we cant get a first strike? wow

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