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Larry Atherton
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Originally posted by RHK
hes the best we got. more conservative than romney, more moral than newt. paul doesnt have a chance. he is better than any other alternative out there. but yes, the republican party has let me down.


I have to respectfully disagree. 1st of all Santorum sponsored the PAWS bill. 2nd he has a 10 year record of getting support and funding from HSUS.

There are other issues that bother me. How does someone decide to run for President and they fail to fill out the proper paper work to get on the ballot in the state where they live? Come on if that is the best organizational skills you have ... you aren't presidential matter!

There are actually several other issues regarding his past and his experience that also bothers me. The country already made one mistake choosing someone without the necessary experience. I would hate for us to do it again.

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maybe santorum inhaled, unlike clinton?? thats why hes not too good with paperwork.

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Has USSA interviewed any others yet?

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More news from USSA:

Presidential Candidates as Rated by the Anti's
Humane Society of the United States Rates Presidential Candidates
3/15/12



The U.S. Sportsmen’s Alliance does not endorse candidates for office. It does, however, provide information about candidates that may be helpful as sportsmen and women make their own decisions during the election season.

For example, last week, USSA provided an interview with former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum. It is expected that former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney will also respond to the interview request. In the meantime, it may be helpful to American hunters, anglers and trappers to see how the nation’s most powerful anti-hunting organization views the candidates.

The Humane Society Legislative Fund (HSLF) is the advocacy arm of the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS), which is the largest animal rights organization in the world. HSUS is led by Wayne Pacelle, a former protégé of Cleveland Amory who founded the Fund for Animals, which focused primarily on outlawing hunting. After leaving the Fund for Animals for HSUS, Pacelle moved up to the top job and orchestrated the unification of the two organizations. When the Fund for Animals folded, its leadership was awarded key positions with HSUS. This ensures that their anti-hunting agenda continues.

Former Fund for Animals head, Michael Markarian, now runs the HSUS advocacy arm, which had the following to say (in print) about the Republican candidates back on December 30, 2011.

In Markarian’s words:

Newt Gingrich: Gingrich earned a 21 percent on the Humane Scorecard for the 103rd Congress, but did not have scores for subsequent sessions since the Speaker of the House typically does not vote. He did vote to allow sport hunting in the Mojave National Preserve, and to allow foreign aid dollars to be used to promote trophy hunting of elephants and other species. On the positive side, he cosponsored legislation to strengthen the Endangered Species Act, and when he was Speaker helped to prevent the weakening of endangered species protections. Gingrich is, so far, the only presidential candidate who has actively talked about the importance of the human-animal bond while on the campaign trail. He launched a web site called “Pets with Newt,” and he is widely known to be a fan of zoos. Gingrich wrote the foreword to the guidebook “America’s Best Zoos,” and often stops by to visit the local zoo when he’s in a new city.

Ron Paul: Like Bachmann, Ron Paul has consistently received low marks on animal issues in Congress: He earned a 10 percent on the Humane Scorecard for the 108th Congress, a 14 percent in the 109th Congress, a zero in the 110th Congress, a 7 percent in the 111th Congress, and he’s on track to get a 25 percent for 2011. He has voted to allow the slaughter of American horses for food exports, the killing of Yellowstone National Park bison, the trophy shooting of bears over piles of bait on federal lands, the commercial sale and slaughter of wild horses from public lands, the import of sport-hunted polar bear trophies, and the slaughter of downer livestock too sick or injured to walk on their own. He voted to block EPA from collecting data on factory farm emissions and voted against conservation legislation to protect rare cats and dogs, cranes, marine turtles, and sea otters. He was one of only a handful of lawmakers who opposed legislation to ban commerce in animal crush videos, to provide for pets in disaster planning, to ban the trade in dangerous primates as pets, to make dogfighting and cockfighting a felony, and to fund the enforcement of the federal animal fighting law. He has supported a handful of animal protection measures, to bar the trade in big cats as pets, to pair veterans with service dogs, and to cut funding for several government programs that harm animals, such as agriculture subsidies, lethal predator control, trapping on national wildlife refuges, and trophy hunting programs in foreign countries.

Mitt Romney: Romney attracted the ire of animal advocates when they learned that during a 1983 vacation, he put the family’s Irish setter, Seamus, in a carrier and strapped him to the roof rack of the station wagon. When the terrified dog urinated and defecated during the 12-hour drive, Romney pulled over, hosed down the dog, and continued the voyage from Boston to Ontario. As chief executive of the 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City, Romney also came under fire from animal protection groups for allowing a rodeo exhibition that included calf roping. His term as Massachusetts governor from 2003 to 2007 was mixed, and Romney did not distinguish himself on animal issues. He appointed a raft of animal-unfriendly people to the state Fisheries and Wildlife Board, even though Massachusetts voters overwhelmingly passed a ballot measure calling for more balanced wildlife policy. He vetoed a bill that would have given students the right to choose alternatives to animal dissection in the classroom. He did, however, sign a number of animal protection bills into law, including measures to strengthen the animal cruelty and animal fighting laws and prevent a convicted animal abuser from getting the animal back.

Rick Santorum: Of all the candidates who have served in Congress, Santorum was arguably the most active on animal protection issues. He earned a 60 percent on the Humane Scorecard for the 108th Congress and an 80 percent for the 109th Congress. But more importantly, he was the lead sponsor of the Pet Animal Welfare Statute (PAWS) to crack down on large-scale commercial puppy mills, and held a hearing on the bill when he was the chairman of the Senate Agriculture Committee’s Subcommittee on Research, Nutrition and General Legislation. He was also a leader in the Senate urging adequate funding for the enforcement of the Animal Welfare Act, Humane Methods of Slaughter Act, the federal animal fighting law, and other animal welfare programs. He cosponsored legislation to establish federal felony penalties for dogfighting and cockfighting, cosponsored legislation to require the addition of a bittering agent to antifreeze and engine coolant to prevent the poisoning of pets, and voted to stop the slaughter of American horses for food exports.

It’s clear that Santorum, Perry, and Huntsman (also reviewed) have the strongest animal protection records. They showed leadership and active support for our issues, and HSLF commends them for their past performance. Bachmann and Paul have demonstrated a consistent hostility or indifference to these concerns. Romney has largely been indifferent and has not been an active supporter. Gingrich has been a bit enigmatic, but he understands the power of the human-animal bond and has taken action to protect some of the most charismatic species.”—Source: http://hslf.typepad.com/political_animal/2011/12.

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Thanks for posting.

I think it's funny about Romney and the dog crate. I guess we are all Felons if a dog Ps or poops in the box it is because the poor things are Terrified into it. I did not know that but you learn something every day listening to wise people like PETA. Also, he hosed down his Laborador Retriever. I know that dog hated that and thought it was water torture.

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HE WAS IN ON A BILL SEVERAL YEARS AGO THAT AKC WANTED. WE CALLED HIS OFFICE AND HAD OUR VOTE COUNTED AGAINST HIM. I FORGET NOW WHAT IT WAS. BUT HE WILL NOT GET MY VOTE.

I MAY NOT VOTE FOR ANY OF THESE WINNERS LOL.

A GUY I WORKED WITH WROTE HIS OWN NAME IN FOR PRESIDENT LAST TIME AND VOTED FOR HIMSELF. HE SAID NONE OF THEM WERE WORTH A NICKLE. I MAY DO THAT.

THEY NEED THREE BOXES TO CHECK WHEN YOU VOTE FOR PRESIDENT. REPUBLICAN, DEMOCRAT AND NONE OF THE ABOVE. MAKES YOU THINK.

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VOTING FOR YOURSELF, MICKEY MOUSE, OR ANYBODY OTHER THAN THE GOP CANDIDATE IS JUST LIKE VOTING FOR OBAMA!!! STAYING HOME ALSO FALLS INTO THIS CATEGORY!!! THERE MAY NOT BE A GEORGE WASHINTON TYPE ON THE BALLOT, BUT THERE IS A GEORGE SOROS TYPE!!! YOUR'E EITHER VOTING 'FOR' HIM OR 'AGAINST' HIM, THAT'S THE ONLY TWO CHOICES!!!

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