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if it aint runnin & treein at least with other dogs with the time i put in pups by 1 year old as much as i hunt its a cull. i know at 4 to 6 months old if a pup will make it here.

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if i had to choose it would be trac any one can teach a pot licker to tree

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how could the dog tree if he didnt track it jmo

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Mine better be doing both by the time its a year old or I will not own it. I do not expect a year old pup to be a coondog but it should already be able to trail and tree a coon. That is if its been given a fair chance.

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Its a cull if it's not doing both at a yr old at my house.

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Tyson, great question. I agree with You, and your Dad. It's far more impressive to me to hear a pup or any dog on the wood oppossed to running a track. After a hunt nobody has ever asked me how many coon did my dog run. They always ask how many coon did my dog Tree! If I liked to listen to them run I would own Running Walkers. But I think mine are called Treeing Walkers.

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I have been a coon hunter for 36 years now, but i still remember those hounds of years ago, they would all run a track but most of them you had to beg them to tree! I prefer a young dog to tree first, if you dont have a tree dog, you do not have anything. I agree with Bobby R. that todays hounds start much easier and if hunted should be tracking and treeing by a yr. old. Gene Parrow

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im sorry but from what iv seen there arent near as many good track dogs as there are tree dogs, it takes a lot smarter dog to Trail than it does to tree, by any standard,and yawl can keep your hot nosed tree dogs , thats whats wrong with the hounds now .... lazy !!

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Ray&Luie, I'll keep my pop up specialist and Yawl keep your old track grubbers.. As you sit in the woods for the 3rd hour listening to Ol' Grubber work that feed track I'll tree 3 of these old teddy bear coon we have around here with my hot nosed lazy hound and be headed home!

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Ray&Luie, I'll keep my pop up specialist and Yawl keep your old track grubbers.. As you sit in the woods for the 3rd hour listening to Ol' Grubber work that feed track I'll tree 3 of these old teddy bear coon we have around here with my hot nosed lazy hound and be headed home!

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ray&Luie
Grubbers arent track dogs , their some ones silly idea of a cold nosed hound, you dont have to stand on your head to trail a cold track, unless your not smart enough to find the hot end of it, plain and simple if i want to hear a dog tree thats easy i can go most any night and and hear some ones hound barkin @ the moon, the sport of coon hunting has always been strike trail and then tree .......... [/Q UOTE]

Thats right...and this is EXACTLY why hounds arent what they used to be....breeding to much tree and not enough track...ill be honest I get EMBARRASSED bad when one of my dogs comes up slick!

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Grubbers arent track dogs , their some ones silly idea of a cold nosed hound, you dont have to stand on your head to trail a cold track, unless your not smart enough to find the hot end of it, plain and simple if i want to hear a dog tree thats easy i can go most any night and and hear some ones hound barkin @ the moon, the sport of coon hunting has always been strike trail and then tree ..........

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Quick treedogs aren't always slick tree dogs, thats someones silly idea of a quick treedog! You dont have to always run a feed track to tree a coon.. If its so easy for you to find a dog that will tree and stay under any circumstances and not have to always run a track for a half hour before it trees please let me know where they are at because mostly what I see and draw in the hunts are loose lipped idiots that will cover the " hot nosed pop up dog" as soon as he trees the coon!

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anything can run a track boys! u cant make one look up! treeing is the hard part. u cant make em! so i will take one treeing any day! if he wants to get hooked,he gotta work somekinda track to get hooked dont he?

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i owned one of the best layup hounds a man would ever want to follow and she has treed more coons on the first bark than most hounds have ever seen, she took the track as it come though,and would never boor you on an old feed track, your hound had to be very qood to tree ahead of old Nancy, feed track or Hot Track ........

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In the last 30 years i probably would have changed my mind a few times. Back in the 80s it wasnt uncommon to still be haulin a 2yr old and still hoping that the tree would come and i sure wasted alot of time on dogs back then that could run a track but never would make a tee dog. Back then a pup that would look up at a young age was a rare thing. Times have sure changed, now we have pups that seem to be born looking for a tree and i have come to realize that whats hard to have is a balance of the two. Either one by itself is useless.

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In the last 30 years i probably would have changed my mind a few times. Back in the 80s it wasnt uncommon to still be haulin a 2yr old and still hoping that the tree would come and i sure wasted alot of time on dogs back then that could run a track but never would make a tee dog. Back then a pup that would look up at a young age was a rare thing. Times have sure changed, now we have pups that seem to be born looking for a tree and i have come to realize that whats hard to have is a balance of the two. Either one by itself is useless.

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Good post, seems folks went from one extrem to another in their breeding

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Them tree dogs are a much wanted quantity on the classifieds $2500-to $5000 won't hunt alone , 60% accurate. But will really tree right or wrong. If you don't believe me go try one. I didn't vote.

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I guess it would depend on whether the trees have coons in them or not.

I'd put up with a dog that trees coons longer than a dog who just wants to run track.

A friend had a pup out of Beaver Lake Lightning ( about 1977 ) that started treeing at 5 months old with the old dog.
The old dog got killed when the pup was 6 months old , so Doyle had to start hunting him by himself. That dog treed more coon that fall , before he was a year old , than most 3 year olds.
Stone silent by himself , but would open when hunted with open dogs. He was that way till the day he died.
I owned a female littermate that started running track at 5 months , treeing at 6 months , and had her first " split with the meat " at 7 months and never looked back. Open track dog all her life.
One pup out of 11 never did tree.
Bud was the only one who was silent.

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Them tree dogs are a much wanted quantity on the classifieds $2500-to $5000 won't hunt alone , 60% accurate. But will really tree right or wrong. If you don't believe me go try one. I didn't vote.

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