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NONE OF THIS ADDRESSES THE ISSUE OF FINDING NON-HUNTING JUGDES IN SMALL LOCAL EVENTS!!!

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Originally posted by Diggerman
I disagree, Being a hunting judge is a big disadvantage if you ask me.If you got time to call your dog ,keep time,keep the score card,answer questions and listen to bitchin,you shouldn't have time to cheat.

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Location: West Alexandria, Ohio
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You might be surprised, if your club advertised there would be no hunting judges there would be a lot of people show up that normally wouldn't. I agree it's difficult to judge and hunt---If you are wanting to do the right thing, problem is so many of the clubs hand the scorecard to one of the local "two hour maniacs" who will do anything to win a cast, I've seen it happen too many times to count. It's gotten completely out of hand and something has to be done to straighten things out, someone mentioned the bass tournaments where you can now put up money and make someone take a lie detector test, if they refuse to take it they forfeit the win, we used to have the same thing in drag racing with money put up for a tear down, over half the people challenged forfeited the win.

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Location: Richlands NC.28574
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Originally posted by Jammie Crumpton
How about get rid of the NON HUNTING COMPUTER INTERNET HUNTERS

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Location: Mulberry Grove, Illinois
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Originally posted by B&LKennels
Well i know for a FACT that they still find time to CHEAT. Seen it done quite a few time's.... Was in a cast with a guy who was a master {disaster} of hound's, his dog struck and run track for a couple minutes and came back in to us he said we have got to walk down in the wood's because we walked over the track his dog was running.wouldn't minus his dog ,yes he was the judge. I volunteer to be a non hunting judge because i don't do the hunt thing anymore.Have had a couple guy's scratch there dog as soon as they found out i was there judge.

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I blame my handler first and formost for not knowing the RULES like I told him he needs to LEARN THE RULES in and out. I have not comp hunted since 2007-2008 I just get them ready for the hunts and I hunt every night sometimes from dark to dust. I know there is NO WAY you can GET RID OF HUNTING JUDGES because if you did then you wouldnt have NO JUDGES to show up to JUDGE CAST and if you did would they be qualified to JUDGE and then you would have to worry about the NON HUNTING judge being paid off there will always be a way to cheat in the hunts, You just gotta be SMARTER thats all I know.

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I blame my handler first and formost for not knowing the RULES like I told him he needs to LEARN THE RULES in and out. I have not comp hunted since 2007-2008 I just get them ready for the hunts and I hunt every night sometimes from dark to dust. I know there is NO WAY you can GET RID OF HUNTING JUDGES because if you did then you wouldnt have NO JUDGES to show up to JUDGE CAST and if you did would they be qualified to JUDGE and then you would have to worry about the NON HUNTING judge being paid off there will always be a way to cheat in the hunts, You just gotta be SMARTER thats all I know.

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Originally posted by Jammie Crumpton
How about get rid of the NON HUNTING COMPUTER INTERNET HUNTERS

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Between high gas prices and cheating, its just about ruined our sport, Draw 2 buddy;s in a 3 dog cast your in trouble, no matter how well you know the rules.

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IF YOU LET THEM CHEAT YOU THEN YOUR THE GUILTY ONE! JMO

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It was stated in an earlier post that most people don't know what goes into putting on a hunt and that is very true. I am a member of 4 different clubs and know first hand what goes into putting on a hunt. I hear these statements about non hunting judges or why don't your club put on a RQE or big hunt. I wish UKC would make it mandatory that you had to have a card proving you were a member in good standing in a coon club to participate in UKC events then everyone would know what goes on behind the scenes to make these hunts happen and then they would think before they made these statements.

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Originally posted by Gary E Redfern
Between high gas prices and cheating, its just about ruined our sport, Draw 2 buddy;s in a 3 dog cast your in trouble, no matter how well you know the rules.

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Originally posted by barrelmaker
You might be surprised, if your club advertised there would be no hunting judges there would be a lot of people show up that normally wouldn't. I agree it's difficult to judge and hunt---If you are wanting to do the right thing, problem is so many of the clubs hand the scorecard to one of the local "two hour maniacs" who will do anything to win a cast, I've seen it happen too many times to count. It's gotten completely out of hand and something has to be done to straighten things out, someone mentioned the bass tournaments where you can now put up money and make someone take a lie detector test, if they refuse to take it they forfeit the win, we used to have the same thing in drag racing with money put up for a tear down, over half the people challenged forfeited the win.

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I really enjoy competition hunting with a honest non hunting judge. The local clubs have problems getting enough non hunting judges. If you draw a dishonest non hunting judge you should scratch your dog and head for camp.

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At our club I never turn down a judge if they ask to judge unless it is someone I know is dishonest. If u feel confident in the rules and feel better holding the card I would ask at entry time if u could judge.

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It's the American Way now-a-days...........
I don't want to do it.
That would mean I'd have to judge the cast myself , or be willing to put a question on the card and call for a vote or take it to the MOH. I'd have to stand up for myself.
Can't have that. I want someone else to do it for me. LOL

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It's the American Way now-a-days...........
I don't want to do it.
That would mean I'd have to judge the cast myself , or be willing to put a question on the card and call for a vote or take it to the MOH. I'd have to stand up for myself.
Can't have that. I want someone else to do it for me. LOL

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From a outsiders perspective i can probally say why such low numbers in clubs an y they couldnt survive without hunting judges. An anyone with common sense would to if theyve read this forum lately. Ive realized Comp hunting is all but rigged an ur either getting cheated on by a bunch of buddies or ur winning an having to listen to everyone else bitch bc they didnt. So my point is why in the heck would any decent person want to attend or enter a hunt much less join the club, when ur either gonna get screwed over from the start or ur gonna have to listen to a bunch of whining an sore losers . Is the majority of comp hunters just liars an crooks? An the rest a bunch of pansies who either are to lazy to learn the rules or wont stand up for themselves an call the people out? Or is it people dont know the rules an the other handler does an really isnt cheatin? If u dont know the rules then thats ur fault but if the handler besides u does an is honest then hes not gonna cheat anyway. idk but i have seen on here a handful of times guys admit they got out called or just didnt have the dog power. Hell also from what ive seen how would anyone else other than the judge (aka possible buddy of a cast member) know if someones dog treed ten coons or ten slicks bc most people ive seen never even attempt to shine or find a coon in another dogs tree anyway. So if u didnt look then well u really dont know what if anything was there! JMO an we know how far they go.

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They carnet cheat you if your packing a dawg ,you can't cheat two eyes looking down,, quit crying ,let's face it no more competition than there is today if a dog is not a nite ch in five hunts he or she is not ready to be there,the biggest problem is most don't want to do the work moon thru fri. To make a dawg. Second if your treeing coons it doesn't matter you win and if you get in the buddy system and they are truly trying to screw you that is what the grey box is for ,it's sad but the truth you don't have to worry about someone pitching on your dog when your dog is alone,jmo most dogs and owners that are complaining would have been scratched fifteen tears ago t and donwhen there was non hunting judges and three hour hunts,and one thing for sure if a dog made a title back then you can bet he earned it,every body today wants that nine month old grand and will do just about anything to get it , we as a hole need to take a step back and reconsider what's important and what's rite.the only ones were hurting is ourselves and our breeds we choose to hunt by our actions and breeding practices.most have blown there dogs up so much to there buddies and on these boards that if they go to a Hunt and don't win they have to come up with some reason like they got cheated or something else to safe face about all the blowing they have done on there own dogs! Put your pride in your pocket ,be honest with yourself and everyone else there just dogs and if you think having a grand nite make you a better person or more important than there lies a problem itself! Jmo what's wrong with I got beat by a better dog tonite!!!!!! Think about it

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Originally posted by Jammie Crumpton
How about get rid of the NON HUNTING COMPUTER INTERNET HUNTERS

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Originally posted by Chris.S
The only thing worse than a crooked hunting judge is a crooked NON HUNTING JUDGE. The worse eyeball gouging scr... job I've ever received was at the hands of a non hunting judge!

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Simple remedy. Offer to carry the card yourselves. Ever walked into a club and signed up, and been asked if you could judge? Everybody is a pro, and everybody is getting screwed, so if you have a problem with judging, OH HONEST ONES, take the card yourself, and judge the cast according to the rules, and HONOR rules!

It's a lot tougher to pay off a judge when you're trying to buy them out of the hunt!

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The rest of the casts needs to grow some balls and not let a guy cheat if a dog leaves the tree you need to stick to it any rule broke cast majority wins.if it gets out of hand take it back to the club house.

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Lets be realistic here. When the judge makes a call VERY VERY VERY SELDOM do 3 people go against the judge.

I could give you about 10 great examples as to what i'm talking about.

Dog meets handler off the tree. Judge minuses dog. Handler asks for a vote, does ANYONE think 2 other casts members are going to turn dow the oppurtunity to put a dog in the hole?

Usually when a bad judge makes a bad call it is against a single handler. Most guys do not turn down the oppurtunity to get a dog minused. These are just the simple facts.

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Simple remedy. Offer to carry the card yourselves. Ever walked into a club and signed up, and been asked if you could judge? Everybody is a pro, and everybody is getting screwed, so if you have a problem with judging, OH HONEST ONES, take the card yourself, and judge the cast according to the rules, and HONOR rules!

It's a lot tougher to pay off a judge when you're trying to buy them out of the hunt!

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