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My parents have a true layup dog. She's sadly not much of a track dog. But, she's never had to be. She will just kinda wonder off sit down, and bark treed. Shine above her and she will have a coon, she'll be sitting right under it. She typically doesn't even tree on a tree. Just stands around like a dog lost in the dark. First night we took her hunting we thought, "by god whats this idiot dog standing around babbling for"? Sure enough we found a coon above her. Treed 7 coon that night, none of them ever touched the ground, and none of the other dogs knew they existed. This was in an area we were lucky to tree one coon a weekend at.

I have a good "winding" dog, but I wouldn't call her a layup dog. Mostly because she doesn't run coon. But she is deadly accurate treeing grey fox. She will be back away from the tree, standing on her back legs, treeing on the scent coming down.

Here's the pedigree on that old layup dog. Sad part is she never bred her, and lets her just sit around in a kennel. The dog hasn't been hunted in about 4 years, and she won't sell her.

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-------------------- GRNITECH PR CHARLEY CREEK MAC
---------------------------------------- PR ROY'S LITTLE LADY
NITECH PR PAW PAW CR GUNNER
---------------------------------------- GRNITECH GRCH PR READ'S KY CLIPPER
-------------------- NITECH PR KEEN'S INDIANA JEWEL
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-------------------- PR LIPPER'S SPRING CREEK CRICKET
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My parents have a true layup dog. She's sadly not much of a track dog. But, she's never had to be. She will just kinda wonder off sit down, and bark treed. Shine above her and she will have a coon, she'll be sitting right under it. She typically doesn't even tree on a tree. Just stands around like a dog lost in the dark. First night we took her hunting we thought, "by god whats this idiot dog standing around babbling for"? Sure enough we found a coon above her. Treed 7 coon that night, none of them ever touched the ground, and none of the other dogs knew they existed. This was in an area we were lucky to tree one coon a weekend at.

I have a good "winding" dog, but I wouldn't call her a layup dog. Mostly because she doesn't run coon. But she is deadly accurate treeing grey fox. She will be back away from the tree, standing on her back legs, treeing on the scent coming down.

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Yep Nocturnal Skipper was great at passing on the layup trait, even to lines that are not known to possess the talent. It sort of shook Jess Dickerson when I ask if Skipper showed the trait, ask how I knew about it, told him as I had bred his momma's grandmother and her mother had done it as well as her mother before it was a pretty good bet.
l.lyle - you use the wind and temp to hunt if you are hunting layups, If it is hot, turn loose up high like on ridge with wind coming toward dog. If Temp is dropping sort of fast you turn loose lowest point, the air is coming down and he will be able to hunt out a good area without even taking a step.

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Yep Nocturnal Skipper was great at passing on the layup trait, even to lines that are not known to possess the talent. It sort of shook Jess Dickerson when I ask if Skipper showed the trait, ask how I knew about it, told him as I had bred his momma's grandmother and her mother had done it as well as her mother before it was a pretty good bet.
l.lyle - you use the wind and temp to hunt if you are hunting layups, If it is hot, turn loose up high like on ridge with wind coming toward dog. If Temp is dropping sort of fast you turn loose lowest point, the air is coming down and he will be able to hunt out a good area without even taking a step.

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LOL The bluff I am talking about is 15 feet high . Once you get on top you can go for miles at about a foot drop per mile and if you get to the bottom you can go for miles and not change over an inch. But it sounds Good! LOL Seems like 99% of the time if I shoot a coon out standing on the top of that 15 foot high bluff the coon will hit at the top edge and go rolling down the hill, which means I got to go down there and get him. On the way up my boots gets to slipping and I got to grab a bush toting a coon and a rifle, to help me up. By the time I cling my way all the way up I am give slap out and I wonder to myself ? How in the world do those Hillbillies do it? I had a mountain cur one time that loved to fetch them out. she wasn't much of a coondog but I fed her for fetching more than anything. She died. I don't like to have to ever use a leash on a dog when I am hunting but if I get to the bottom of the hill I'll leash up whatever dog I figure will pull. Guess what? NOT. He liable to snatch you back down the hill just as you get to the top. It's like leaving a barking dog in the box when you go to a tree figureing he will bark and call you out. BS. He will bark his stupid head off till you need hin to then he will for sure shut up. That is my experience, what's yours?

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I hunt black dogs and used to have a female that was exceptional at layups, would also run cold tracks hot tracks it didnt matter and she was open mouthed. she had an uncanny ability of just fallin treed and other dogs didnt know what the heck was goin on. she was deadly accurate. her son also had the ability even better all round dog than she was and his son at 8 mths old would make guys with nt ch. and gr nt ch scratch their heads cause their dogs wouldnt tree with a pup. these dogs also alot of times would be running track and come in to a tree locating from 20 to 30 yards and have the coon. tryin to get some of that back but the young dog got killed on road at 15 mths old and dad and grandma had already died to.

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Mr. Dan D. knows about those layup dogs,, Once you've owned one you want another,,Man they are a fun dog to hunt ,,,lol

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a lay up dog does NOT check trees!!!

layup dog; can 'wind' the coon with his head off the ground.the scent is in the air not on the tree!!

'tree checker'; is not a lay up dog.to me a tree checker is a lazy hound that doesn't want to go deep or work hard to find a track.so they check trees hoping to get lucky.50% accurate,even worse when bores are rutting.
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I have walked behind a few of them........i owned 5 different dogs sired by Blue Boy Ten, who was the best reproducer i ever saw when it came to TRUE layup dogs (not silent dogs who just get treed, but TRUE layup dogs)

Those dogs would walk through the woods on hind legs winding coon like bird dogs.......and were deadly accurate at picking the right tree.


the absolute BEST i ever saw at it........the definition of a TRUE LAYUP DOG......lives in virginia atm

her name is NTCH Ozarks Rebel Battle Cry, and i have seen her slam hundreds of layups most others didnt even know were in the woods.

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Grntch grch pkc ch buck fork dollar London ky is very good at this.i mean very good.

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Grntch grch pkc ch buck fork dollar London ky is very good at this.i mean very good.

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No, locate and change over to tree, very impressive when he does it

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i got got a female that many have seen get turned loose behind other dogs and tree coon,that dont mean i think she's a lay-up artist or nothing but she can tree em when others cant smell em.i think the world of her..!

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and they do it behind some petty good dogs

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How can so many people be an authority on something they can't even touch , taste , see , smell or hear ? Coon scent might as well be fairy dust if we are gonna talk about it first person.

Our experience with scent and trailing is all second hand and gained from of all people ... a dog !


Some dogs tree without trailing , was their scent on the tree or
not ? Of course when our dog does something neat we want to assume the situation is more impressive than it really is.

If the dog is winding actually scent from a live coon , then it's fresh and other dogs can smell fresh coon , who knows why they don't tree em'. But that argument that dogs wind layup coon and other dogs can't smell them is silly ... of course a poodle could smell fresh scent coming from a live coon just a few dozen feet away ... yall ever stop to really think about what you're saying.

I don't think it boils down to anything but there are top notch dogs that were trained natural and have experience and alot of brains and they learn to tree coon in all kinds of conditions .... and some dogs are more picky about how they like their coon and how smart they are and how much work they wanna put into it.

But telling me that a dog that winds the body scent of a live coon a few feet away is smelling something other dogs can't .... well , that's just ego talking .... and we will never know what it smells like or why some dogs do it and some don't .... we are just standing their guessing .

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Say What ,,lol

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big difference in a "tree checker" and a true"layup dog".

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back in the 80s my dad had a hammer bred bluetick that could tree lay up coons we know that to because weve seen it several times be walkin in a place to hunt and see a coon in a tree and billyboy would go crazy and wwe had a old redtick that could tree lay ups too but thats been a long time ago

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Come on guys!!! Bear hunters have used lay-up dogs for years!!!! They call them RIG dogs. They ride down the road and the dog picks up scent from both sides

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Come on guys!!! Bear hunters have used lay-up dogs for years!!!! They call them RIG dogs. They ride down the road and the dog picks up scent from both sides

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How can so many people be an authority on something they can't even touch , taste , see , smell or hear ? Coon scent might as well be fairy dust if we are gonna talk about it first person.

Our experience with scent and trailing is all second hand and gained from of all people ... a dog !


Some dogs tree without trailing , was their scent on the tree or
not ? Of course when our dog does something neat we want to assume the situation is more impressive than it really is.

If the dog is winding actually scent from a live coon , then it's fresh and other dogs can smell fresh coon , who knows why they don't tree em'. But that argument that dogs wind layup coon and other dogs can't smell them is silly ... of course a poodle could smell fresh scent coming from a live coon just a few dozen feet away ... yall ever stop to really think about what you're saying.

I don't think it boils down to anything but there are top notch dogs that were trained natural and have experience and alot of brains and they learn to tree coon in all kinds of conditions .... and some dogs are more picky about how they like their coon and how smart they are and how much work they wanna put into it.

But telling me that a dog that winds the body scent of a live coon a few feet away is smelling something other dogs can't .... well , that's just ego talking .... and we will never know what it smells like or why some dogs do it and some don't .... we are just standing their guessing .

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Most good layup dogs are good cold trailing dogs too ... we'll never know what scent dogs are smelling , or how cold something is or if some dogs can't smell what another is treeing on or not .... it's out of our perception.


When a dog decides to wind a coon from body scent , it's fresh scent that the dog next to him that isn't treeing on can smell too ... just not all dogs will tree on it .


Talking about experience or facts is fine , but the layup dog debates are some of the silliest there are ... everyone brags up some dog they had like no other dog or hunter could know what they are talking about ... and then starts talking about coon scent like they can smell what the dog smells.

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