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I own a repair facility and collision shop and i always laugh when i hear people defend buying Jap. vehicles.


whats ironic is if you go to COPART.com which is an international online auction site you will see that the japs pay big bucks for american trucks and only the rich can afford them.

As far as them being more economical, you will quickly change your mind when you see how expensive parts and repairs are on them. Just last week i had a 2010 toyota camry in the shop that had hit a deer, A headlight assembly, hood and a grill cost 1600 dollars. The same parts for an american equilavent would have probably been around 500.

I buy and drive american. Its just the right thing to do.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by john Duemmer
[B]I own a repair facility and collision shop and i always laugh when i hear people defend buying Jap. vehicle

As far as them being more economical, you will quickly change your mind when you see how expensive parts and repairs are on them. Just last week i had a 2010 toyota camry in the shop that had hit a deer, A headlight assembly, hood and a grill cost 1600 dollars. The same parts for an american equilavent would have probably been around 500.

That may be the case with the newer toyotas but it is certainly not the case with the older ones. Just decided to completely redo the entire brake system on my 85 4runner. to buy a new master cylinder, new calipers, new drums and rotors, new shoes and rear cylinders will only cost me around $250. I can buy a rebuilt engine with an unlimited mileage lifetime warranty for $1095 and rebuilt transmission that has had been beefed up to withstand a V8 engine swap and built for offroading for only $900. As far as body parts go I just found fenders for my 92 for $45 with free shipping. For less than $10,000 I could completely replace or refurbush every single part on my vehicles.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by john Duemmer
[B]I own a repair facility and collision shop and i always laugh when i hear people defend buying Jap. vehicle

As far as them being more economical, you will quickly change your mind when you see how expensive parts and repairs are on them. Just last week i had a 2010 toyota camry in the shop that had hit a deer, A headlight assembly, hood and a grill cost 1600 dollars. The same parts for an american equilavent would have probably been around 500.

That may be the case with the newer toyotas but it is certainly not the case with the older ones. Just decided to completely redo the entire brake system on my 85 4runner. to buy a new master cylinder, new calipers, new drums and rotors, new shoes and rear cylinders will only cost me around $250. I can buy a rebuilt engine with an unlimited mileage lifetime warranty for $1095 and rebuilt transmission that has had been beefed up to withstand a V8 engine swap and built for offroading for only $900. As far as body parts go I just found fenders for my 92 for $45 with free shipping. For less than $10,000 I could completely replace or refurbush every single part on my vehicles.



I dont think a single part that you mentioned was produced by TOYOTA

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I own a repair facility and collision shop and i always laugh when i hear people defend buying Jap. vehicles.


whats ironic is if you go to COPART.com which is an international online auction site you will see that the japs pay big bucks for american trucks and only the rich can afford them.

As far as them being more economical, you will quickly change your mind when you see how expensive parts and repairs are on them. Just last week i had a 2010 toyota camry in the shop that had hit a deer, A headlight assembly, hood and a grill cost 1600 dollars. The same parts for an american equilavent would have probably been around 500.

I buy and drive american. Its just the right thing to do.



I have a hard time believing that you can get a new headlight assy hood and grill for anything for $500 new for a 2010 model!

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I have a hard time believing that you can get a new headlight assy hood and grill for anything for $500 new for a 2010 model!


You have to consider that anything Ford, Gm. Or Chrysler as a repair shop i get 25% off and on Jap vehicles i get either 10 or 15 depending on the make.

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You have to consider that anything Ford, Gm. Or Chrysler as a repair shop i get 25% off and on Jap vehicles i get either 10 or 15 depending on the make.



Regardless unless you're buying new for the toyota and junkyard parts for the top3 cars I still can't believe that. At all!

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Whats this stuff about picking what vehicle u drive. I just pick what i can afford LOL It isnt' no wonder im always driving a rebuilt Ford Ranger.

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I dont think a single part that you mentioned was produced by TOYOTA [/QUOTE]

Which was the point of one of my above posts that almost all of these products are made by small American companies and the working man who earns the wage he gets. I never was trying to say hoorah for Jap stuff. Just saying that these vehicles are super cheap to repair and maintain. For that matter how many of the parts at NAPA or any other local parts stores are actually made by the manufacturer of the vehicle they are for? Almost none of them! So I guess my question is what is your point? Unless you go to the dealer and pay twice to three times the cost for OEM parts you will be buying parts that are made by somebody else.

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Regardless unless you're buying new for the toyota and junkyard parts for the top3 cars I still can't believe that. At all!


I second this and am raising the B.S. Flag!!!

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Regardless unless you're buying new for the toyota and junkyard parts for the top3 cars I still can't believe that. At all!


Parts pricing through the manufacturers is driven by the aftermarket competition. If china is reproducing a malibu fender for 50 bucks the dealer will have to price in the 70 to 80 range or they will never sell one. But if there is no aftermarket which is often the case with the foreign vehicles then they can price whatever the market will bear.

Before you ask.... the reason the aftermarket parts arent available as readily for the foreign vehicles is because the companys that produce them consider how many they will be able to sell as opposed to tooling cost to produce the part. Simply put if there is 1000000 toyots trucks on the road they wont sell as many as if they make a fender for a ford trck with 100000000000000 on the road.

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Before you ask.... the reason the aftermarket parts arent available as readily for the foreign vehicles is because the companys that produce them consider how many they will be able to sell as opposed to tooling cost to produce the part. Simply put if there is 1000000 toyots trucks on the road they wont sell as many as if they make a fender for a ford trck with 100000000000000 on the road.


More B.S. I just looked on Forbes.com and the number 1 selling car in America is the Toyota Camry. So explain once more that supply and demand thing. Oh wait a second let me grab my froglegs lmao.

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it really doesn't matter too me what anyone drives,but if a yota,mazda,or whatever the foreign brand pulls in my drive they r asked too park n the road or leave.what's really the hardest on our country is the lack of patriotism,everyone just goes with the flow,isn't about time we took our country back.one import car at a time,one illegal immigrant,one flag burner,and the list could go on and on.

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More B.S. I just looked on Forbes.com and the number 1 selling car in America is the Toyota Camry. So explain once more that supply and demand thing. Oh wait a second let me grab my froglegs lmao.


This is a waste of time and i dont have a dog in this fight. Take 10 minutes tomorrow, pick 2 comparable vehicles like an f150 and a tacoma or what ever you like, call the dealer for each and make your own comparison. They will give you the list price on the parts , now subtract 25% from the american vehicle and 15% on the foreign and you will know what the parts cost a repair shop. I been doing this every day for 40 years guys. Some vehicles it will be a hugh difference and some not as much but i guarantee the parts for the foreign vehicle will be considerably more.

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What I don't get

Why do people consider Toyota foreign? They are built here by Americans! Like I said before I don't care where the company is owned whether its US, China, or Egypt as long as it stimulates the AMERICAN work force! Brag about the companies that send their labor over seas, and bash the ones bringing WORK HERE! It's ridiculous, you can tell who the Obama supporters are just by reading this post! Why not buy an Obama car that is "stimulating our economy" by being built across borders!!!!!

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Theres just no nice way to say it....... You my friend are an idiot.

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Theres just no nice way to say it....... You my friend are an idiot.


You're the one buying NEW manufacturer made hoods, headlamp assemblies, and grills all for $500. Might want to sharpen your math skills a bit...

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Theres just no nice way to say it....... You my friend are an idiot.


John...I'll send ya a nickle if the next time a Toyota is brought into yer shop, just tell that guy what an idiot he is for buying one and that he should take it down the road to yer competitor to get that foreign junk repaired.......that will fix those darned ole foreign auto makers and their idiot owners............

Tully......if it makes ya feel any better, I dont think yer that big of an idiot.........! :-)

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I'LL AGREE WITH YOU ON THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS AND FLAG BURNERS, BUT I'LL CALL YOUR BLUFF ON IMPORTED ITEMS!!! GO THRU YOUR HOUSE AND GET RID OF EVERYTHING FORIEGN, EVERYTHING, AND THEN YOU HAVE ROOM TO TALK!!! PEOPLE FOCUS ON VEHICLES BECAUSE THEY ARE BIG TICKET ITEMS!!! CLOTHES, SHOES, ELECTRONICS, FOOD, LOTS OF STUFF COMES FROM OTHER COUNTRIES, AND SOME AMERICAN OWNED COMPANIES OPERATE IN OTHER COUNTRIES DUE TO AMERICA HAVING ONE OF THE HIGHEST (IF NOT THE HIGHEST) CORPORATE TAXES ON THE PLANET!!!

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Ya John why don't you just quit fixing those foreign vehicles. Tell your customers how stupid they are, and just run an "American" repair shop. Geez you want to see an idiot go look in the mirror.

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All you toyota haters go out and buy a brand new toyota and a brand new ford chevy or dodge and put equal miles on them then go see which one held its value the best .........let alone see which one still worth a dam after 10-15 years

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How many people have had a chevy ford or dodge bought back for 1.5 x bluebook price

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Nope Gotta fix em. I just explain that it will take longer to complete the repair because we have to wait longer for the parts and that as much as we would like to save them their deductable we cant because of the lower profit margin on the parts. Then i have to listen to the guys that work for me argue over who has to work on em.

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All you toyota haters go out and buy a brand new toyota and a brand new ford chevy or dodge and put equal miles on them then go see which one held its value the best .........let alone see which one still worth a dam after 10-15 years


You will never see a 15 year old toyota truck around here with our weather and the salt on the roads the bodys rot off em long before then.

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Do you think Ohio is a cake walk on vehicle bodys?

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I to worked on vehicle before I went to the mines and that the main reason I went to toyota I was a die hard chevy guy till I worked on them.....and very rarely did anything to a toyota other than brakes and oil changes

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