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l.lyle
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it kills anything that drinks it ,so yes it is against the law you cant be killing deer, bald egales and stuff like that and it will kill them
Almost any poison used incorectly can kill a non-target species. The product is legal and I doubt the product would be banned. It would never have got labelled to start with. The non-label use of the product is where people quld be in trouble.

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im not for the stuff but ive never seen it kill deer or bald eagles. the possibility is there im sure but i bet its extremely rare. i hope it does kill the coyotes though.

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To touch on some of the responses....

Tom, Seeker is correct... flybait use has decreased the need and desire to have hunters and trappers aiding in the removal of nuisance animals. It is cheap and it is easy to do yourself. No time and expense like live trapping. No putting up with hounds late at night. No need to have folks coming in and out of your property.

l.lyle, I don't disagree with you. One of the issues I have with this is that for many years MN had an open harvest season basically meaning the raccoon was still listed as a protected game animal requiring a harvest license and having regulations to regulate the means of harvest and the harvest season was open continuously year round. Thanks to our trapping association, they put a closed structured season on us so we can no longer openly kill coon while training our hounds in the spring and summer. This irks me because the MN DNR and its enforcement officers are well aware of the fly bait use but basically turn they're backs to it because raccoons are looked upon as a nuisance non-game species, but in reality they are a game animal no different than a deer. If someone would put this stuff in they're garden, feed lot or fields and target nuisance deer there would be such an outage and the DNR would come down extremely hard on them. But as long as folks are targeting coon, skunks, and coyotes they look the other way as long as no eagles are accidently killed. Also the product is legal for its intended use, it is a felony to use it in the manner to kill nuisance animals. I'm one of those guys that doesn't kill many coon, but on the occasion I might need to knock one out to a dog I try to do it on land where they are being a nuisance with the landowners blessing, to be legal I believe the landowner has to be along. If I could openly take nuisance coon I would do more of it, but I can't do it legally without asking the landowner to accompany on my hunt. I do have a few spots where the landowners don't appreciate me leaving them in the trees, I hit those spots hard during the harvest season to appease the landowner.

I sympathize with the landowners. They are simply trying to protect how they make a living. But it doesn't mean I agree with it. And like I mentioned above, it is a felony.

I truly hope someday some knucklehead goes out and covers a deer carcass with the stuff to target killing coyotes and a bunch of eagles get killed. That will bring some attention to the issue.

I will not report a farmer or small landowner on property I hunt. I try to educate them but I'm not going to risk my right to hunt on the property. I won't hesitate to report some of the large corporate farms like some of the hog and turkey farms around me.

Education is key. Find out what your regulations are and inform your landowners that if they got caught what the repercusions might be and talk to your local feed stores that are selling a bunch of it. They know what folks are using it for. If you and your houndsmen buddies happen to do most your dogfood business and other feed business there, threaten to stop unless they remove it from the shelves. You won't stop the big box farm supply stores from carrying it, but you could possibly make a difference locally.

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A guy got caught around here and it cost him a Bunch of money, had to pay to replace a coon, a possum and a couple other animals. He used something else though, mixed with hamburger. They took the hamburger package and tracked it back to the store it was bought at then looked on the camera and had him buying it.

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Like i said, i want to know if there is any danger to my dogs, i have places i dont hunt in trapping season because i know for a fact the trapper that sets there cares less if he catches dogs... i dont know about other states but in missouri farmers and ranchers have crop insurance here it covers loses due to damage by wild life as well as weather, insect ect.... and belieave me they collect on it loses or not so as too off set the cost of buying the insurance...... sorry if i upset anyone about this post and i hope and Pray it is resolved...

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Rick Dennison
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jimmy graffices dog squaller got in it a few years ago almost killed her but she lived she was just a lil loopy after that and lost over half of her mouth she got into over in polk rick

didnt know that happened to her, but yeah all these AMISH use it polk
is about all amish where there's places to hunt.

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yup she

ol squaller is still a good dog but was never the same and the bad thing is polk is my fav. all time place to hunt

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Redoak Redbones
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Im a farmer and we have never used it dad always says leave some of the crop for GODS animal's. He gave us a crop. Thats what being a farmer is not just killing the animals because they are eating a small percent of the profit

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