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firehawk24
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Yeah I think thats right. Of course you never know what your getting with any dog, if the truth be told.

What was confusing to me is that George had a high tan back if I remember right. And that is why I was trying to find pictures of him and the dam to George. Just so I could see what they looked like.

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Dont know about what Jug wwas half this or part this but he was all COONDOG the times I hunted with him.

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firehawk24
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Yes you are right. And Im like you I could careless if he's part lab/poodle and leopard. As long as he runs the track and trees the coon or squirrel, Im all for it.

Well of course Jug is dead. But Chaps is still alive and probably just as good.

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12-18-2011 01:03 AM

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Originally posted by john Duemmer
Did he tell you that jug was part walker and had been false papered?

Don't people get barred for this...

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quote:
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Don't people get barred for this...

Maybe, but the Stylish line of his pops out to me more. Good dogs, as far as famous ones he has to do with it is Stylish line of walkers. From what i gather the leps is what he saw potential in and liked. He liked a particular dog of the leps and I am sure if he was like me, it broke his heart to find that it might not have escaped some back of the barn breeding. The dog was still good and worth single registering and he set about to do it the appropriate way and got it done. If I am not mistaken several breeds of hounds are open to single registration today, but the leopards is CLOSED.

He was not False Papered.

Way back when, I got interested in leopards and wrote him and he sent me a 4 or 6 page press release, brochure, explanation, of the sequence of events. I have also talked with some members of the leopard board at the time it was voted on and they tell me what the explanation of it and the vote occured, as stated, was correct.

Yes, I am now a Leopard hunter. But keep in mind that Jug might be a great big deal to leopard fans it only amounts to a few percent of the dogs he saw some value in and got right.
By the way, I don't think the line of leopards I hunt has Jug in them. But I did try to put some sence in my Walkers by crossing my good dog on a Leopard. Today I have a dog I like that is down to 1/8 walker ( About like Jug I recon). Do I want to register him as a Leopard? HELL NO. I bred what I got for myself. and my satisfaction. I don't want the B'n and Moaning Mr. Wick deals with either. He is a good dog though and I might breed him to a Leopard or a Walker or a Mountain Cur if I take a notion I can get a better dog to chase coons in this marsh than what i got now.

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Yes he was false papered but it was before UKC registered them as hounds.They were Leopard Curs and were registered with the Cur registration.All this happened before Wick bought him.When Wick got him he got the right papers put on him.That's why nobody got barred it was before UKC got involved.

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firehawk24
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Gentlemen: this thread which was started by me was in hopes of finding out about a couple of dogs that happen to be related to a dog that Im buying. Nothing more, nothing less.

False papers, what kind of dog so and so is or isnt, just is more or less message filler.

Dogs are dogs. Whether there full blooded, half crossed with a squirrel, I could care less, really. Buying and breeding dogs is like gambling. You might win, and you might loose. Some of you have probably done well with your own breeding's and possible combinations. Why? Because your trying to find that once in a "lifetime" dog that truly only comes once in your lifetime.

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quote:
Originally posted by firehawk24
Gentlemen: this thread which was started by me was in hopes of finding out about a couple of dogs that happen to be related to a dog that Im buying. Nothing more, nothing less.

False papers, what kind of dog so and so is or isnt, just is more or less message filler.

Dogs are dogs. Whether there full blooded, half crossed with a squirrel, I could care less, really. Buying and breeding dogs is like gambling. You might win, and you might loose. Some of you have probably done well with your own breeding's and possible combinations. Why? Because your trying to find that once in a "lifetime" dog that truly only comes once in your lifetime.

lol

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john Duemmer
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quote:
Originally posted by firehawk24
Gentlemen: this thread which was started by me was in hopes of finding out about a couple of dogs that happen to be related to a dog that Im buying. Nothing more, nothing less.

False papers, what kind of dog so and so is or isnt, just is more or less message filler.

Dogs are dogs. Whether there full blooded, half crossed with a squirrel, I could care less, really. Buying and breeding dogs is like gambling. You might win, and you might loose. Some of you have probably done well with your own breeding's and possible combinations. Why? Because your trying to find that once in a "lifetime" dog that truly only comes once in your lifetime.

First let me say that i have no axe to grind with Mr. Wick, i think he has been and continues to be a great ambassador of our sport.
Yor original question was about the wick line of dogs and the responce was confusing simply because there isnt a Wick line. The Jug dog was a crossbred dog that was accepted into the Leopard registry. Weather this was a good or bad decision for the breed depends entirely on who you ask. Some leopard hunters are big fans of the Jug offspring and some of us arent but theres no denying that his blood will have a great impact on the breed simply because of the amount of crosses being made containing his blood.

Your comment about breeding dogs being a gamble is true, but as with any gamble we want to give ourselves the very best odds for sucess and this is where linebreeding a specific line of proven reproducers that throw the specific traits that suit us as individuals comes in . If you truly dont care how a dog is bred or what is in his background then you are certainly giving yourself poor odds of sucess. Good luck with your new dog and happy hunting.

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firehawk24
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Your point taken. But I have also seen HIGH Dollar Dogs with HIGH Pedigrees that weren't worth a nickel, and my neighbors bulldog could have hunted better. But I get what your saying.

For some reason I was mistaken because I actually thought there was a specific Wick Line. Maybe I should have done my homework a little better. But hey that's why I'm on here, to get pointed at least in the write direction.

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smokin-1-mo
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WICK LINE

NO SUCH LINE IN ANY BREED,A FEW DOGS WITH HIS NAME IN FRONT OF IT BUT NO LINE......

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12-19-2011 07:18 AM

firehawk24
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I wasnt sure if there was a specific line, thats why I asked. Thanks for the clarification.

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quote:
Originally posted by firehawk24
I wasnt sure if there was a specific line, thats why I asked. Thanks for the clarification.

I yet not sure I understand. Are you talking about his walkers or his dalliaence, a bit , with leopads

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12-20-2011 01:29 PM

l.lyle
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Mr.Wick remains in my mind a famous Walker man . He had open minded ness enough to enjoy the leopards. I'm like that my self. But not as famous.

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12-20-2011 01:36 PM

firehawk24
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I was referring to his Walker's. But He also crossed some walkers with Leopards and as well with some Black & Tans. But I had thought there was an actual Wick walker line, but that isnt so.

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I don't think he did the cross, with the Leps, but I could stand yet to be corrected.l....In fact, may not have been on the Stylsh line. at all . Hate to dash your dreams etc. BOO HOO .

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Nelson Kirkland
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Mr. Wick, whether he has a "Wick Line" of dogs or not has brought forth and into the lime light, a few strains of hounds that were relatively unknown and most likely would have remained that way had he not forseen their value and importance to improve the breed. The Preacher Line, the Stylish Line, and now the Camo Jug line of hounds are out there because of John Wick.

Many who are jealous of him or his accomplishments will say or do anything to discredit the man. Hunters and suppliers have tried to imitate him for years. For most of us, that would be the utmost form of flattery we could receive.

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quote:
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Mr. Wick, whether he has a "Wick Line" of dogs or not has brought forth and into the lime light, a few strains of hounds that were relatively unknown and most likely would have remained that way had he not forseen their value and importance to improve the breed. The Preacher Line, the Stylish Line, and now the Camo Jug line of hounds are out there because of John Wick.

Many who are jealous of him or his accomplishments will say or do anything to discredit the man. Hunters and suppliers have tried to imitate him for years. For most of us, that would be the utmost form of flattery we could receive.

You got that right!!! He does know good!

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PAPERED WRONG

DAAAAAAA THERE ARE A HELL-OF-ALOT OF DOGS PAPERD WRONG.. one was born and trained right here now the dog is registered in 2 regisrtries .... they dont match............wake up and smell the roses boys... how do you think you get plotts with ears like blood hounds ?, BLOOD HOUND. treeing walkers that are marked and colored up like triggs ?, TRIGG... silent trailing walkers that hunt like bird dogs,? BIRDOG.... thats how.... the only paper that is right is the one you wipe your a$$ with that does'nt leave ANYTHING on your fingers....

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Just for general information. John owned the sire ( Ozark Preacher) and bred to Morgan's Mississipi later owned by me to produce Wick's Ozark Missy. He the owned both sire (Wick's Stylish Banjo) and dam (Ozark Missy) to produce Shmersal's Stylish Queen that is probably on 60 percent of all walker pedigrees today.

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quote:
Originally posted by l.lyle
Mr.Wick remains in my mind a famous Walker man . He had open minded ness enough to enjoy the leopards. I'm like that my self. But not as famous.

your famous lyle and misunderstood lol

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old ben
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i read some where he started 100 dogs a year..that has to be some kind of acomplishment .i do well to get one started lol

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12-22-2011 01:56 PM

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there is no difference in jug being cross bred than Little Red, Hooch, Even Tn Hardrock. All of which are outstanding dogs, and all of which were single registered. Breed tree dog to tree dog and hunt what you like.

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quote:
Originally posted by David Morgan
Just for general information. John owned the sire ( Ozark Preacher) and bred to Morgan's Mississipi later owned by me to produce Wick's Ozark Missy. He the owned both sire (Wick's Stylish Banjo) and dam (Ozark Missy) to produce Shmersal's Stylish Queen that is probably on 60 percent of all walker pedigrees today.

Brinkleys ozark preacher first advertised nt Jim brinkley of Dixon mo ...Paul jefferies raised many dogs off preacher before john got him and still has the line of dogs...Mr greggs started the stylish line which will go back to preacher if memory serves me right....I think john was like a lot of coonhunters in his day and liked the flavor of the month and never stayed true to any of them .....

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