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i know A LOT of handlers who will pitch there hound in. If you do not know for sure or feel confident that your dog is there, YOU SHOULD NOT TREE IT. call it poor handling or what you may....i call it being honest. that is what this sport is in dire need of. to many chasing titles, money etc. im ready to get back to chasing coons. i hunt with tim often, and i will say, he likes to win as much as anyone else, but he will not be shady or even scrap the edges of cheating. if the only way a man can win is pitching in and gambling on a half hook dog. you may need to change whats snapped to your lead. and if you are so wrapped up in a trophy, you need help. titles are great i have titled out my share. but i let the dog win and call the dog for what it is doing, not what i hope it does.

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Maybe this poll should have been " pitch or dont pitch ". i could hear here there but she wasnt treeing and the turn out before she didnt back them . We waited the five and i had the opportunity to tree her but she just wasnt hooked correctly before the five was up . It took us about 10 minutes to get to the tree . She was there but i didnt think pitchin and hopeing was good enough . When i beat you its gonna be because I called the dog as it does ,not as i think it will do , or what it has done before . She is starting to act more like her father every time out and thats making her more independant . Yes I am more honest than i should be but thats how i do it . yes i have been beat by a few handlers but im not them . THaNKS ALL that understands why i didnt tree her .

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hasnt threw a locate and treed with them yet


above is a direct quote............being in the area isn't treeing and like you said...he knows his dog.................

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I would not have treed my dog, when I win a cast I like to know that I really and should have won. The last hunt I was in a dog was treeing just a little in front of mine by a few barks very time. I could have started calling his dog after the first tree and, he would not have been able to do anything about it. But I would have trouble sleeping latter on that night.
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The way he described his situation wouldn't have been shady or even close to cheating.In your own words to the dog was"half hooked" which is even more than treeing one on a locate.Nothing in the rules say how much the dog needs to be "hooked".But it does say it is up to the handler to know his dog.Sounds to me like Tim in his heart knew his dog was there(which was further proven to himself when the dog was found "belly up on the tree")but because she hadn't located like he wanted he was affraid to make the call.

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I am really confused here.....You hear your dog cover another but it isnt treeing quite right and you figgure it might not stay so you dont tree her.....Thats supposed to pass for honesty?


Thats calling your dog.

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I am really confused here.....You hear your dog cover another but it isnt treeing quite right and you figgure it might not stay so you dont tree her.....Thats supposed to pass for honesty?


Thats calling your dog.

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Maybe this poll should have been " pitch or dont pitch ". i could hear here there but she wasnt treeing and the turn out before she didnt back them . ... she just wasnt hooked correctly before the five was up .

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if thats what you thought was the right ting to do, you did the right thing.

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ITS NOT PITCHIN THE DOG WAS THERRE ITS TAKING A CHANCE YOU DIDNT THEREFORE U LOST HELL ITS NOT EVEN BEING HONEST YOU WAS WINNING TIME COUNTIN DOWN UR DOG IS THERE U JUST COULDNT PULL THE TRIGGRER BEING NERRVOUS OR SCARED AND NOT TAKING CHANCES WILL PUT YOU IN THE LOSERS CIRCLE

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i would think there would be a lot of factors in winning a hunt, and the dog plays a major role but if the handler doesnt do his job the dog will lose . The man for what ever reason lost. If he feels good with his decision then he made the right one. If he made this post hoping someone would pat him on the back for being honest good , maybe someone will do it. If he is wishing he would have called the dog treed then he made the wrong call. He will get another opportunity to make a judgment call again and if he does what he thinks best every time and when he makes a mistake he learns from it and does what he thinks is best next time he will always be satisfied, but if he know whats right and chooses to do the wrong thing he will always be unsettled. You can do wrong all you want but it will weigh on your heart till it gets to heavy to hold.

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You did the right thing. You said your self he wasn't treeing with them yet. More often than not if it is a good hound and it is slow to tree THERE IS A REASON FOR IT......this time he went ahead and treed and it was right.
But more often than not if it isn't treeing right it's checking the tree and it's not there or a possom. That is were knowing your dog comes in.

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if your not sure you dog is Treeing or if your dog is going to stick, why would you tree. I know some that would pitch there dog in HOPING it would be there when the cast did. Knowing and hoping are totally different things.

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Well it sounds like a 50/50 shot. You tree, dog leaves, OH CRAP!!
You tree, dog stays, GREAT!! Every handler should know their dog and go with the best decision you can make. Pitching a dog is when you call your dog and it isn't doing anything, your just trying to get in on the points. If the dog is there and just not treeing right but treeing then you have to make a decision based on what you think or know your dog will do. But the truth of the matter is a dog is a dog and they will all do stupid stuff. I've been on alot of casts and heard the phrase " I've never seen them do that before." If you feel good about your call be happy knowing you did your part and the dog just didn't do what it was supposed to do. People are always on here saying they don't like slick handlers, and then you get a post where a guy made a call based on his dog not treeing right and he doesn't call it and you get hammered. What are you supposed to do? Not call and get bashed, call and get called a cheater, or not post and be happy you made the right decision? We have all been put a situation like this and it is like I said first in the post, 50/50 you walk away winning or you might just be the first loser.

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depends on how bad you want to win and how you want to win...

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Well it sounds like a 50/50 shot. You tree, dog leaves, OH CRAP!!
You tree, dog stays, GREAT!! Every handler should know their dog and go with the best decision you can make. Pitching a dog is when you call your dog and it isn't doing anything, your just trying to get in on the points. If the dog is there and just not treeing right but treeing then you have to make a decision based on what you think or know your dog will do. But the truth of the matter is a dog is a dog and they will all do stupid stuff. I've been on alot of casts and heard the phrase " I've never seen them do that before." If you feel good about your call be happy knowing you did your part and the dog just didn't do what it was supposed to do. People are always on here saying they don't like slick handlers, and then you get a post where a guy made a call based on his dog not treeing right and he doesn't call it and you get hammered. What are you supposed to do? Not call and get bashed, call and get called a cheater, or not post and be happy you made the right decision? We have all been put a situation like this and it is like I said first in the post, 50/50 you walk away winning or you might just be the first loser.

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I'm actually a bit surprised by some of the answers on here. If i'm winning the cast your gonna have to hold me at gun point to tree my dog. I'll take that chance of a coon being there. What if you treeyour dog and you think he's there with the other dog treeing but when you get there he is split treed 5 yards apart. he's got a den, and you've got a slick. You just handed your dog a loss. to me that is poor handling. no reason you should tree your dog in this situation so i say good job to man who started this thread.

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I would of waited out the time an if he was still there b 4 the tree was dead ida treed him or ida treed him definitely 2nd or just waited it out.. JMO...

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I'm actually a bit surprised by some of the answers on here. If i'm winning the cast your gonna have to hold me at gun point to tree my dog. I'll take that chance of a coon being there. What if you treeyour dog and you think he's there with the other dog treeing but when you get there he is split treed 5 yards apart. he's got a den, and you've got a slick. You just handed your dog a loss. to me that is poor handling. no reason you should tree your dog in this situation so i say good job to man who started this thread.

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