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Slick treeing for the most part is genetic and I cannot abide it.

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Locating ability . Has nothing to do with running a track or how hard they tree .

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this dog i have is 2. he will absolutely drive a track, pull up with a great locate and hammer the tree. 1 problem,no coon though. i think its definately a combination of problems but ill tell you 1 thing...its not easy to fix.

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1. Handler error while training.
2. Handler error
3. Off game
4. Breeders are forgetting about locating ability. Many incorrectly think treeing is one thing, but it is not. The dog must track, and then locate, and then tree.
5. Laziness
6. Outsmarted! Yes, guys who may not want to face the facts, but coon are much more intelligent than dogs. A dog tracks and circles to pick up loses that is bred into them. A coon tapping, crossing over, or bailing out over water are learned tricks by what many call breeding stock.

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i gotta a dog and all thru the spring,summer,fall,she would barly ever miss,like probably 90% of the time i'd find her coon,the last week and a half she aint showed me a single coon,dens and empty trees!it's been a full moon and the coons are starting too rut,i hope that's the reason,she is not too old yet so i hope she comes out of it,man friggin frustrating!

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Fact is. Every dog goes through stages and one is slick treeing.

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i gotta a dog and all thru the spring,summer,fall,she would barly ever miss,like probably 90% of the time i'd find her coon,the last week and a half she aint showed me a single coon,dens and empty trees!it's been a full moon and the coons are starting too rut,i hope that's the reason,she is not too old yet so i hope she comes out of it,man friggin frustrating!

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yea it is, but it happens with a lot of dogs....especially when the temperature is right around that freezing mark.

I dont know how many times I have drawn guys that talk big about accuracy, and how they wont tolerate slicks only to see their dogs are just dogs, like the rest.

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i think a large problem with this dog was too much praise for barking up. even when he was wrong he was praised. im hoping this is just a stage but im really wondering about this one.

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No tracking , breed more for treeing and lack of a butt kicking when they do lie and most of the rules in the hunt reward a tree dog too much and than there are some who do care if they tree a coon which leads to breeding up more of these slick treeing idiots

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yea it is, but it happens with a lot of dogs....especially when the temperature is right around that freezing mark.

I dont know how many times I have drawn guys that talk big about accuracy, and how they wont tolerate slicks only to see their dogs are just dogs, like the rest.

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I know one thing for sure. The most accurate dog I ever owned or went hunting with was my old female bluetick. She didn't track or locate like most dogs do. She didnt smell the smell onthe ground. She located a coon and ran the coon by scent in the air. When she treed, many many times she'd be setting on her butt out under the limb the coon was on showing you where the coon was. She knew which side of the tree the coon was on on a very tall large tree. I make excuses for the dog I got now and make excuses for many dogs I hunt with. Full moon, windy, Leaves just fell in the late fall or early winter, rutting boar coon, smart coon, frost on the ground, cold tracks, bad tracks, everything you can think of. Truth is I didn't have to make excuses for her. Conditions like that did not affect her. She just threw her nose in the air and showed you the coon. Period. And when she treed you could pet her up for on every tree and never worry about her getting "tree happy". She didn't have a great voice and she wasn't a hard tree dog and would not stay treed under much pressure at all. But as far as a pleasure dog she was the best i ever hunted with, and its not even close. I wish she could still do it like she used to could. She's 13 now and dont even got her mind really anymore i don't think. Its sad.

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Honestly Sheep,

In your opinion, which dog is the most capable of treeing as many coon in the shortest time frame possible, Princess or the dog your hunting now?

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Honestly Sheep,

In your opinion, which dog is the most capable of treeing as many coon in the shortest time frame possible, Princess or the dog your hunting now?

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PRINCESS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm serious as a heart attack man. She was a coon finding machine !! Bubba makes it sound a WHOLE lot better but when it comes to just plain coon finding ability, he can't do it like she could. He is a stay put tree dog under all kinds of pressure and you can hear him treed a mile away and he dont tree possums. Thats why he won the hunts he won. But as far as a pleasure dog, she was it. The 2 nights I hunted them together back when she could still do it, she treed first both times. LOL But they are just 2 completely opposite dogs in every way.

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They usually dont get that good untill they actually die...


Funny she didnt fare better in the hunts......

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They usually dont get that good untill they actually die...


Funny she didnt fare better in the hunts......

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and all these things we call "tracking conditions" didn't affect her. Like I said, she didn't track like normal dogs. She threw her head in the air and BAM , that was it. Cold track, bad track, whatever. DANG YOU GOT ME MISSING THAT OLD DOG. LOL LOL

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ok everyone knows why they do it ...
so what is the answer to resolve it or can it be corrected still enjoy the dog

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jason Baldwin
[B. She didnt smell the smell onthe ground. She located a coon and ran the coon by scent in the air.

That is called trailing. A lot of dogs do it. The best ones can track and trail. Trailing can get them over the track a lot faster but if the wind is moveing much they need to track the last part to the tree.

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Well I started "tickling"lol shocking my dog for any and every SLICK tree and I am starting to see more coon I think maybe she was petted up for just well treeing on any old tree coon or not...bu I think out of what most people in here have said most dogs have there ups and downs and they learn from that I also am starting to think that dome dogs have to go threw a slick tree phase to learn that that is nor what is expected out of them.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jason Baldwin
[B. She didnt smell the smell onthe ground. She located a coon and ran the coon by scent in the air.

That is called trailing. A lot of dogs do it. The best ones can track and trail. Trailing can get them over the track a lot faster but if the wind is moveing much they need to track the last part to the tree.

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alot of times i have seen one of my dogs do this but once you check the tree and you see nothing i pull her of and send her on staying put at that tree and if she comes back run her off from it and sometimes she goes on to find it but if she goes out for a while then comes back i check again and sometimes iv just over looked it also check nest in the tree if there is one i shoot the nest as i have seen a few coons to be in them

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This is probably the tenth time I have posted my story and most folks think I'm nuts. But I can't wait for the day they make little GPS collars cheap enough to put on coons. That's the best way to know. Think about my situation. I have to kill every coon I tree so they don't live long enough to get smart about not looking or hunting a hollow. So, any dog occassionaly lies, I look and say to my buddy that there isn't a coon up there and the dogs take off at that and find another. They don't even know that some people don't shoot them all. So even if I send them on they better not get back on that tree. and they don't. To compound that problem I had a great fast dog that I trained pups with. When he got four and the pups I had were at a stage they could run pretty good he could still outrun them and locate, then run over 50 yards and grab a tree. The pups would buy off on it and they would all tree like the devil untill I got close enough for them to see my light coming and the old dog would seem to quiet down. About the time I would get to the tree I would hear the old dog muffled barking then he would crank it up. That was one more smart deamon. How do I know that? Because I got to suspecting it and would slip around in the moonlight and caught him at it several times. He had a knack for lining it up so that on the way in even though he was at his sucker tree you realy could not tell it when he eased off and treed the coon. You would just think he was split treed the whole time. That's why I got to suspecting something in the first place cause I couldn't figure why those pups would be split treeing on their own like that and be empty. Sometimes the other dogs would pull to him even though we were at the tree shining it. It bothered me awhile till the pups got smart enough to check the tree on their own instead of getting hung up. So from that aspect he was better than any trainer I ever had even though he was unscrupulous. But it sure was fun for him to hang my buddies dogs on a tree when we were pleasure hunting. I should have competition hunted that rascal. In later years he got senile and would still be at the hung up sucker tree and I would tell my buddy I don't think there is a coon up there in conversation tone and you could read his eyes like "oh hell, I forgot" and take off and get treed in 30 seconds. Anyway I don't know why a dog should come back to a tree you sent him off from especially if you killed that coon. Maybe a pup slicks because he is getting planted by a smart dog. Anyway unless you get off the tailgate and find out on your own there will be nothing better than GPS collars on the coons so you know if the coon is there or not. Just call me Johny Future. But when it finally happens there will be alot of Famous dogs on the market cheap I bet.

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i use to hunt with a dog that would run the first deer she came to and i mean she would spit it out on a deer then when the other dogs fell in with her she would slip away from them and tree a coon.

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i use to hunt with a dog that would run the first deer she came to and i mean she would spit it out on a deer then when the other dogs fell in with her she would slip away from them and tree a coon.

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