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I might have to go with coons changing their feeding or going for water during the daytime, heading back to the den till late in the night. Around here the coons, deer and about anything else seem to get strange leading into fall. There's been more than a few times squirrell hunting that I have seen coons walking around in the afternoon, before the tree rats ever thought about stirring.
You run into backtracking more on young dogs, not a dog that has been hunting for years. I learned years ago when a dog trees on a den it might be right, if they had l.lyle's gps collars on you might know whether to pat him on the head or not. We did have a bunch of dens around, so a time or two we did check with a chainsaw and found out fast there was no backtracking involved when they hit a den tree.
It might be an idea to change when you turn loose till after midnight and see if the dog does better before you start punishing him, when he might be right. Another thing if you turn one dog loose and he hits a den, then turn another loose and see a coon .... it might be that the first dog opening got the critters to moving, not that it was running backtrails, might have been a good idea to change the order of the turn out before punishing the dog ....

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There a lot of things i have considered but whooping him for treeing dens and working tough tracks aint one of them. But, the thing is everybody trains there own way.

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i have seen this happen on older dogs they just get something in their heads that the coon is headed that way since a back tracking dog is completely useless a light shocking and sending him the right way is worth the risk use another good hound to check with before shocking to make sure he is backtracking for sure .every year when the coondogs had a layoff their first runs would go backwards for a time or to out till id zap them ,and send them the right way.. after that they would be 100 percent for the rest of the season .they were so excited to go just running the track any which way didnt matter .when dogs do this out of the blue. its almost like the hound thinks the game is running harder i think so in the hounds mind he thinks he has to push harder the wrong way because the scent is getting less this is all i can think for the reason a dog suddenly starts doing this.some dogs that always do this is more a question of brains.it is hard for a dog to pick up a good habit and easy for them to pick up a bad.allowing this to continue isnt doing your part as a houndsman ,and is basically no different than letting them run deer every night without doing something about it. im not trying to bust your balls just put it in perspective . good luck. kordog

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I don't know what your conditions are like there but here its bad. We are in the worst drought in over 100 years so they say. It has made a lot of decent dogs look like piles of useless hair. Corrections only work if they figure out why your correcting them. Under normal conditions I would switch one but its kind of hard to right now. Most dogs around here make short bad tracks and miss.

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We are battling the worst drought since 1895 in a part of West Texas where we know something about dry weather, we are used to a lot of it. I feel raising and training dogs in these conditions helps them to be handle the tough trailing conditions. I have said many times that these blue dogs will adapt to the conditions and catch coons no matter how dry if the wind is not blowing in addition to the dry conditions. I am hunting two littermates that turned two on July 15th. Last Saturday, with no wind, they caught 6 coons, two would not tree and caught on the ground.
As I said earlier, my dogs through the years are much less inclined to back trail when trailing conditions are difficult. I think it is because they are more patient when working a weak smelling scent. If the track is hot and trailing conditions are good, I think my potlickers are more inclined to make a mistake.
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Iv also had this problem for the past two years iv tried everything with my old walker she is like 9 though but many have said its all in the confidence level of the dog i dnt beat my dogs simply cause its like beating a kid and i look down on hunters that do that if you cant treat an animal right then you shouldnt own one. yea we all get ill at em at times but you dnt have to beat em shock em lol

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I might not beat one but I'll whip the heck outta one. Sometimes you gotta do a little training. Even on a older hound.

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Im talkin about the ones who kick their dogs and stuff like that

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I can't climb like I used to ... but I'd be looking in a den or two and see if there was a coon in it ....

Even the best dogs will test your case and try to get an easy pettin' if they can ... if he's right , what are you comlaining about .

If he's wrong , then either rub him up and tell your buddies he's cold nosed because you aint got the heart to correct him ... or let him know you are smarter than him on the days you have a good breakfast .

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i have seen dogs start fading with age but they are usally 10 or older never seen a 6 yr old start going backwards but anything is posable my grand pap told me a dog was in its prime at 5 and 6 yrs old jmo

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i have seen dogs start fading with age but they are usally 10 or older never seen a 6 yr old start going backwards but anything is posable my grand pap told me a dog was in its prime at 5 and 6 yrs old jmo

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How much you take for him? Since he's blowed up lol.

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How much you take for him? Since he's blowed up lol.

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ga dawg you probly couldnt handle a blowed up dog he get you all stressed out lol

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I could fix him in one night. I think. I wonder what he would pay to get him fixed

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I could fix him in one night. I think. I wonder what he would pay to get him fixed

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Prolly could. It'd be nice not to have to work no more lol.

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I could fix him in one night. I think. I wonder what he would pay to get him fixed

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I aint ready to resort to that yet but you never know if he dont get back to his old self. Be on stand by for a messed up coondog.

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when he trees a den pull him off then stand by the den tree when he comes back tell him to go on till he goes on he will find a good track oh yea I ahve seen good and bad in all breeds

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alright Jason..tie him to a tree..raise up one leg..get a hold of that little gear shift lever hanging there and make sure u didnt leave him in reverse..

couldnt resist...laughter always helps..good luck..i alsothink the coons are feeding early

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Anytime one of my dogs start doing something out of the ordinary for them I look at a health problem, lymes, elichria, these tick born diseases will make dogs do some goofy things in the woods. Once they have been vet checked and have a clean bill of health then I worry about trying to correct the situation.

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