Registered: Jan 2005
Location: N.W. Indiana
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I agree with that your dog should get a coon treed if theres a coon there but this makes no differnce in PKC or UKC the best dog doesnt always win the cast but the best scoring dog should. WHy else have a point system - circle or + The best score wins. In PKC the top 4 casts get in the good money so you dont wanna have a low score but crap happens.

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TO RUN THE STATE RACE PKC IT COULD BE HARD TO STAY ON TOP BUT TO RUN THE PURINA RACE ALL YEAR YOU MAY SPEND A LOT OF $ AND NOT WIN THAT MUCH BACK AS YOU WOULD PKC BUT THE RACE WOULD BE A LOT HARDER.
NOW PLATNUM CH TAKES A LOT OF TIME AND $ AND YOU NEED A PRETTY NICE DOG NOT JUST A ME TO OR AN ILL S.O.B. BUT A NICE "COON" DOG.
AS WELL AS RUNNING THE PURINA RACE AND MAKEING THE DOG GR NITE CH. FROM START TO FINNISH.


YOU "MUST" SEE THE COON MORE THAN NOT FOR BOTH.
THE WORLD NITE CH UKC IS EASIER
WHERE AS THE PKC WORLD IS HARDER.
THERE AGAIN YOU STILL NEED TO SEE MORE COON THAN NOT.

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Location: Morrison TN
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Oakrige, I ain't sure where that is, but I probably have been through there since I live in the edge of Elizabethton LOL.

Just moved to this house about a year ago, still haven't got many places to go huntin. Got a couple of offers plum up in Mountain City, but that is rough, rough, rough and it is bout an hour away from here.

However, I plan on goin a time or two just so I can have a spot to go to when I feel like goin by myself.

Wait a minute, I bet Stoney Creek is where one of my classmates lives. Her family has a small farm just about 5-7 miles east of here.

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all my relatives on my moms side was born and raised on buck mt
i have always loved that part of the country but i sure wouldn't hunt dog if i lived there
one good thing is that you can still get a jug of good ol corn squeezings and them red hotdogs!!!!!!!
love thoughs red hotdogs

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Why do UKC hunters have so much anger for PKC?I wonder how many have even been on a PKC cast?I much prefer PKC over UkC,mainly because of UKC's idiotic rules,but I do believe that the Nite Ch. degree is harder to achieve.A guy can take a average, me too, dog and win casts over a long perod of time and eventually have a PKC ch.Most PKC hunters could give two shakes less for titles though.

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I want to make this perfectly clear....

oakrdige1 and Oak Ridge are two completly different people! I know it gets confusing.........

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Why do UKC hunters have so much anger for PKC?I wonder how many have even been on a PKC cast?I much prefer PKC over UkC,mainly because of UKC's idiotic rules,but I do believe that the Nite Ch. degree is harder to achieve.A guy can take a average, me too, dog and win casts over a long perod of time and eventually have a PKC ch.Most PKC hunters could give two shakes less for titles though.

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Well, I'm not being argumentative, as I do not prefer one over the other, but just in Saturday nights PKC hunt in MS, 17 out of 42 casts were won with circle or minus. That's 40%. Tell me another one...

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Joe,I would say you are right about the area making a diffrence.I guess what I am saying is,I remember a guy back in the day that owned a little Redbone female that won a huge percentage of her casts by just not making mistakes,but never scoring a bunch of points.The guy that owned her was a good,honest handler and I think if PKC would have been around that dog would have dyed a PKC champion,but she never made Nite Ch.,even though she had well over 200 points.This dog couldn't get the First, she lost the hunt on two diffrent occasions on a tye breaker.That little female might be a Nite Ch now since we are lucky to have more then 2 or 3 casts of dogs,compared to a minimum of 6 or 7 back in the day.I know a ton of dogs that got easy Nite Ch.,so Nite Ch. or even Grand Nite doesn't impress me,but that 1st can be hard to come by sometimes.It is a fact that the better dogs on average are being hunted in PKC,if a dog is Silver or Platinum,they didn't get that easy,no matter how long it takes them........Mick McLaughlin

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Well, I'm not being argumentative, as I do not prefer one over the other, but just in Saturday nights PKC hunt in MS, 17 out of 42 casts were won with circle or minus. That's 40%. Tell me another one...

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Goes to the regional or geographical difference! Watch that same report during the Spring Classic in central Ohio in a month or so.....story will be the same, the percentage will be different though!

Whole story is that each of those cast winners went home with a portion of the entry fee ($50.00) while the dogs that were scoring 600+, 425+, 350+ and 525+ each went home with $290.00 in winnings, $375.00 in added purse money, and the possibility of up to $450.00 or $460.00 in calcutta money. (calculated on Saturday nights entry only)

The question at hand is which title is "easier" to attain. If you follow the example above, a dog could easily get to PKC Champion on one night's hunting......but...understand that it had to outscore 112 other dogs to get those winnings. With hunt numbers being what they are today, how many dogs are finishing with two first and a second place and only outscoring 15 other dogs in the process? Before you answer that, remember that the winnings in PKC are driven by the number of entries.....so if you go to a four dog hunt, your cast win is worth a lot less that if you go to a larger hunt.

The systems are different, each one having it's own merits. Neither one is perfect, and neither one is "easy".....

p.s. not to start another conversation....but I wonder which casts hunted over buckes, and which ones did not have buckets?????

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i agree it is confusing if i can change my user name i will.
i used my e-mail name when i signed up on this board and did not look first to see if it would close to some other name or not
let me see what i can for you buddy.

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Coonhound which by definition means a hound that can track and tree with excellance.

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Goes to the regional or geographical difference! Watch that same report during the Spring Classic in central Ohio in a month or so.....story will be the same, the percentage will be different though!

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1. why doesn't pkc post the scores of the winning dogs like ukc does?

I don't know the awnser to that one, I'll see what I can do.

2. why split? why not hunt every cast off so all cast winners hunt off, get rid of the split option best hound wins.

I like to split, especially if I'm trying to qualify a pup for the SS by hunting PKC events through the week. Splitting makes it easier to win your cast, win a portion of your money towards the 100.00, and make it home at a half decent hour so you can still get to work early that next morning. This is especially true if you have traveled a long way to the PKC hunt. Most that are "close" to me are better than an hour away.

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Purina points finalist if I had to pick, but titles dont tell if the dog babbles, fights, bites, or just doesnt act the way i want them to act. I think alot of the title like night champion and so forth can be made by any good handler with a dog that trees.

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The title "bonafide beardog" carrys the most weight

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The title "bonafide beardog" carrys the most weight

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LOL, I like this one. if you got a dog that will rig, run and tree a bear by itself, then you have a real hound.

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Registered: Jul 2003
Location: Michigan
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Marshall Curtis, You're invited to come take our money at Onsted this year being a club member & all.Just because you prefer UKC doesn't mean you can't hunt PKC every once in awhile. The more members that participate in our hunts the better off our club will be.Our meetings are still the first Sunday of the month at 3:00 pm.Stop up some time to say hi.Our UKC state meeting is March 13th @ 1pm.

Oakridge , I drew you out last year on Friday nite @ the Spring Classic.Our cast came down to the last drop & you ended up winning with Powder. She was a nice dog that's for sure. I think Trackman was on our cast also.That was a fun cast,but we sure had to drive a long ways to hunt.You make alot of good points on here. I'll probably see you at some of our hunts at Onsted this year.Good Luck. We'll do our best to put you in a woods where you'll get some plus points. If it's a PKC hunt though don't count on scoring 1500+!!!!!. Why is there such a difference in hunt scores @ LDC & AO ,yet they are held fairly close to each other???

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I haven't hunted in either but I have guided a boat load of PKC and UKC. I have found that the caliber of dogs don't even compare to the PKC dogs. Better dogs better handlers way less fighting in PKC. You would think that there would be more fighting in PKC cause there playing for money. But they know the rules better and start with better dogs. Every UKC cast I have taken out has had a knock down drag out fight. I guided the spring classice last yr my cast paid less to the winner than what the entry fee was. Although the UKC title might be harder to obtain in thoery, PKC title holds more weight!

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Registered: Jun 2003
Location: Missouri
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Easy question! AKC World Champion cause now they've got a PKC 'LEFT' Fielder!!!!!LMAO! You guys are sure fun. I'll keep my money in my pocket, call the dogs that deserve it 'coon dogs' which is the highest title they can earn here, and leave the games to you guys that like to fight, argue, whine, and complain!
Please continue.......

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Registered: Feb 2004
Location: MICHIGAN
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i guess i could hunt a pkc hunt thats if you loan me the money to lol. it would cost me around 75.00 for my fist hunt and thats if the hunt was a 25.00 hunt and the way i see it i don't hunt for money i hunt for the fun of it !!
don't get me wrong the money is nice BUT i can hunt 4 ukc hunts
for what it would cost me for one !

besides you know i don't have the dog power to hunt PKC
all my dogs are yard sh!ters lol.

i will try to make the next meeting o.k
talk to ya later

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Marshall, Just jerking your chain a little. I know I don't have the dog power that's for sure!!!I'm just out to have some fun & hopefully see some good dog work.I hear ya about the money side of this game.Rick, the guy I usually hunt with,& Iwere talking that the other nite when we were loading up to go & looked at all the electronic goodies we carry out each nite!!!I know you got good dogs-I've seen the scorecards.Rick & I hunted with Shiloh last nite.Did I mention he had a redbone on the end of his lead???lolWe had a fun hunt & ended the nite getting 2 walker dogs off of somebodies front porch!!! Ugggggggghhh He wants to go calling coyotes tomorrow nite so we'll probably give it a try.Hope to see ya at the next meeting. Oh, we're having another English Sectional in July-I know I'll see you there.I may even throw my english female in for some comic relief!!!Our RQE is in June this year.See ya!!!

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I haven't hunted in either but I have guided a boat load of PKC and UKC. I have found that the caliber of dogs don't even compare to the PKC dogs. Better dogs better handlers way less fighting in PKC. You would think that there would be more fighting in PKC cause there playing for money. But they know the rules better and start with better dogs. Every UKC cast I have taken out has had a knock down drag out fight. I guided the spring classice last yr my cast paid less to the winner than what the entry fee was. Although the UKC title might be harder to obtain in thoery, PKC title holds more weight!

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the poll speakes for its self

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the poll speakes for its self

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