Registered: Jun 2003
Location: Missouri
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I'll agree, feeder buckets could present a cast with a different scenario than the same area without them. You're also right in that if you have to only beat the dogs you draw, that somewhat levels the field.

Feeder buckets are seldom used in my part of the country. We will have a 2 night hunt this weekend and I can tell you ahead of time what guides will bring in a score and those that won't. I will have hunted with most of them and I know that some will have been hunting, will know where coons are, what they are feeding on, and how to go about getting after them. Some won't. I guess that isn't fair, either but its always been part of the game.

I understand your point and it would be great if all casts had exactly the same opportunities to score, but I just don't see how its possible.

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Registered: Jun 2003
Location: Weyers Cave Va
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Lets look at it this way...

Guide A has several cornfields to hunt.

Guide B has some really nice open woods with seceral creeks running through them.

Guide C has a cutover with a swamp running through the middle of it.

Which guide would you rather draw? How is this any different than drawing a guide that has a few buckets set out.

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I guided in zone 4 last weekend, we had 83 dogs friday night .One of the local guides was the man everyone wanted,why you ask? Because he traps and turns lose around 100 coon in his hunting spots every year.He also has buckets hung all over the place.His was the only cast that did not come in with plus points! I dont mean they took a lot of minus I mean they didnt see a coon. I dont understand the statement that in PKC you only compete against the dogs in your cast. That is only when they have under 16 dogs. Anything over that and you have to have the points to get in.And let me say this Mr Mims Ive hunted as many PKC hunts as most people have and I've seen just as many culls hunting in PKC as UKC.

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Registered: Jun 2003
Location: Churchville, VA
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I may be wrong, but I believe in VA a law was just passed that made it illegal to hunt over feeders, or something to that effect. If this is the case, as I am sure it is in other states, is it also against UKC rules to hunt feeders durring a UKC hunt? THe rules clearly state you must abide by all state laws.

Just a thought. Not ment to stir the pot any more than it already is, as I do not hunt any feeders.

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Location: Central Arkansas
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First, I prefer not to hunt buckets.

Second, the logic behind the assertion better dogs are being hunted in PKC has many twists. One, they could be better because there are lots of Grands hunting that can't be hunted anywhere else. However, there are also lots of people that enter less than "seasoned" dogs in $25 and $50 hunts because you dont' have to have plus to win. Pups are entered that are not completely ready just to win their $100. You can win a hunt with a dog that has never, and will never tree a coon in it's life. It doesn't happen much, and shouldn't happen ever, but it does happen.

Don't construe this as a pro-stance for any registry. It isn't intended as such. I will defend either registry with equal gusto.

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thats got buckets out all over his lease, and it takes a coondog to tree em' they'll run for an hour or two before they consider to go up a tree, if you got a slick treeing idot that can't run a track you'll nver tree a coon on his buckets. when he first put the buckets out every time a coon would tree close or on the bucket he would shoot the limbs from under them make em' fall out, now they get with the program and move on real quick like when a dog is dumped on the ground

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I am not saying that it makes a dog any less of a dog to tree a bucket coon. I am not saying PKC is better, but obvisously they make changes that seem more logical sometimes. Anyways back to the point, I am just saying to make a cast a little more even, it won't solve all the problems, it should be ban from UKC to hunt buckets. HOBO, I was not downing your hounds, but if it takes them all night to tree coons that are known to hang around buckets, then yes get more dog power

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The above post was from me.....My friend was just logged on and I forgot to log him out.

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Location: Shelbyville ,Tennessee
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you can tell the feeder bucket dogs easy ,, listen when they are released then if they babble then THEY are feeder bucket dogs !!

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Stayed out of this as long as I could,but here goes.I agree with adam to a point.Have been on casts that the guides dog was at a great advantage over ever other dog.His dog had been trained on the buckets and isnt hunted in a hunt(to my knowledge)unless the handler can guide.This dog is now a GRNTCH at 19 months old.And in my book isnt worth the cost of the 22 bullet .But on the other side of the coin,been on cast where every dog had as much chance as the other.guide only took hunt cast on these buckets,it was a contest right to the very end.Over all is it fair,that depends how you look at it.Like someone else said is it an even playing field when one guide has cornfields to hunt and an other dont.As for treeing right on the bucket,yep Ive seen it on a cast.My own buckets NOPE never have.Thats not to say I might do so some time ,but have had them up and huntin in there area for over year and havent yet.I use then for trainin only.As for makin a rule against them in the hunts,there is no way it can be enforced.Like some one else posted,they can be taken down the nite before the hunt.Just my 2 cents worth.

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Registered: Aug 2003
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Feeders are good. You said some dogs mess the others up, but if you got the dog power it does not matter. Most people that don't like feeders, don't have feeders, and don't have any where to put them.

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Registered: Sep 2003
Location: Eastern Virginia
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State of Virginia passed a new law this year> NO feeiding of wildlife that will be hunted. Hunted is defined as chase or actually taken the game. Feeder buckets are illegal here. If you hunt over buckets you would be hunting illegal which means SCRATCH.

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Your right about a few things, I don't have em and I hate em. I have the places to put em, I just don't beleive in them at all. Your right about the dog power. This is not about being on a cast with buckets, it is about that some cast have them and are at a adavantage over the ones that don't. I would rather not hunt them. My dogs will never hunt buckets unless it is at a hunt. I would rather go a 2 hour hunt to where a dog has to HUNT for a track rather than to have it handed to him. The rule can not be enforced, as I said earlier, it would have to work on a honor system, and that is something that is lacking sometimes in our sport and life in general.

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Registered: Jul 2003
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I used to hate hunting feeders. I said the same time. Unfair. I made my female a nitech in the woods. Once she was a nitech, I got tired of getting beat by another cast that had a 8 or 9 hundred points. When she worked he butt off for her 450+. I now had feeders,just for the hunts only. Not to train dogs, I want them to hunt. If they can hunt they will be ok on feeders.
I run 5 feeders in the summer. I have treed on the same tree as the feeder a thousand times. People around here love to draw me. I usually bring the hunt winner back. WE SCORE HIGH. My coons almost always look and do not run far, becasue they may only get chased 5 times amonth and eat for free the other 26 days.
If you doubt my dog will go as deep as it takes to get tree and stay allnight, just come for a ride.

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Whether you got a dog that will go or not...

It is just about impossible to win 1st place in a hunt without feeder buckets.

The scores today are high. We came in with 125+ and knew we had 2nd, lo & behold the other cast hunted wild and didn't even strike a coon. So, Hank got his 1st.

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It may be impossible to win without feeders in N.C. but up here if these farmers ever found out you were feeding coons you'd be tarred and feathered and banished from the community. Hunting feeders is kinda like going to one of those hunting preseves to shoot birds, you'll think it's real if you don't know what real is.

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It's not impossible, but coons are kinda scarce around here, and with feeders, you got a better chance.











Also, this year, it seems like there isn't much mash for the coons to eat, has anyone else around here noticed this? They have been sucking the feed out of our feeders.

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Mash.... I'd sure thought someone from N.C. would know the difference 'tween mash and MAST! LOL.

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i have mixed feelings! i don't hunt my dogs over them,but if i'm in a hunt,and everyone else is hunting over them,then so am i!last saturday night i drew wvhillbilly,and i never saw a feeder,so that means the coon must have ran some ways off.every drop the dog's opened at least 20 times before they located at the tree.like the old saying goes whats good for the goose,is good for the gander!rather than complain about it,use them yourself. that will make things even.right,or wrong everyone will have the same chance.i bet if you won a couple hunts over the fedders you would change your mind about them,or you could forfit your win,i think we all would take the win even YOU!!!.the ukc will never stop feeders,it will cost them money,and we all know they don't won't to loose that.these nite hunts is what makes them the most $. i'm not picking at you just telling it the way it is..mike

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Registered: Jun 2003
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I don't see why people don't like buckets. I don't believe in hunting a dog on buckets all the time. That will do more harm to a dog than good. But to get a young dog started or score a few points in a hunt I don't see the harm in them. A hunt is won by the dog with the most points. Now if you are hunting a place with no buckets and you can only tree one coon in two hours then you are not going to win most of the time. Especially when you start hunting in Nite Champion casts where there is only 1 place. Coon are not always going to be on the buckets but I don't see anything wrong with trying to get a few more coon in your area. Going back to starting a young dog on buckets I have noticed that I have had less trouble with off game starting a young dog on buckets. If a young dog gets on a good track quick then they don't have time to get out there and mess around on deer or any other off game. So back to my first statment I don't see why people don't like buckets.

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When I lived down south ,La.,feeder buckets where the only way to go.Sometimes they tree close sometimes they don't. Ssometimes you turn loose on a bucket and don't strike a coon,but your odds are a lot better . If your dog can't win a feeder bucket cast ,you had better not try to hunt him in IN , OH, MI etc. Those coon can be a lot easier than a southern feeder bucket coon. And if your dog can win on easy coon ,then when you make him a nt. ch. you will put out feeder buckets because you will get tired of winning your cast and not getting anything for it.

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I am just the oppossite of all of ya'll. I don't like feeders period. Just to score a few points is even ridiculos. It takes the whole hunt out of the hunt. Part of hunting is to hunt a track. With feeders dogs don't have to HUNT a track. Granted, the coons may still run a ways, which is rare, but tracking is just as important as treeing. With feeders, "cold nose", "medium nose, and "hot nose" dogs are all even. To me that is taking away from the goal. The goal is to judge the best dog of the cast. All aspects have to be considered in this. With feeders it takes alot away from the competition between the dogs.

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sounds to me like ya got your butt whooped by a cast hunting buckets,or a guy at your club has buckets and always brings back the winning cast,,but nonetheless,,when ya get right down to it,,IF you are packin a "COONDAWG" they will tree coons on buckets,in swamps,in mtns. in flats,whatever,,so the only advice I got is quit ya whinning and get a coondog or stay outta the hunts...If ya can't take gettin beat,,you ain't gonna make the comp. world...I was on that cast Bear was talkin about,and I'll bet ya he'll agree when I say,,I was packin the only coondawg in the group,she was doin a fine job ,the other did know where the buckets were,and got first strike ALOT,,I did get a couple of first trees and split trees with the meat,and was in it all night,,my downfall was Jewel,the dog I had ,had a broken hip a few years back and in an intense,fast-paced hunt she favors it after a bit and starts slowing a bit,,THAT made the difference!!All in all the dog Bear mentioned did have a bit of an advantage but that's the way it goes....I'll get him when we hunt at my club,,,lol,,If ya think a dog that hunts off buckets can't go and find a coon,,I'm sure Mr. Bear will again agree when I say,,come over here and let me show ya something!!!!I'm not trying to make ya mad or anything,,just tellin ya how it really is,,,,,,Take care and best of luck to ya!!

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Bo is not the best bucket dog. He stikes fast and can run a track pretty fast. He just checks the tree for a extra sec. He really shines in the out in the woods, but you got to have that score to win. His full littermate nitech hillbilly cindy lou is one of the best bucket dogs I have ever seen. She can run a hot track unbelieveable and slam a tree in a hurry.

I am not even filling my buckets right now. No hunts soon around here soon. I only hunt on them in the hunts.

You have an open invite to come around and hunt with me any time you like. I got a bunch of Hillbilly Walker dogs. Don't hold that against me.

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