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jackbob42
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Originally posted by julietx
Yes, my original question was- why are some hunting breeds so popular in the pet market while others are not? I agree that beagles and labs can be sold in two categories, hunting dogs and pet dogs. The point I was trying to make is that it is just as common if not more common for those breeds to be sold strictly as family pets rather than hunting dogs. Sure, there are some breeders of those dogs that would never sell to a non-hunting owner, but for everyone of them you can find ten breeders who breed them ONLY as pets. I wanted to see if anyone had an opinion as to why this is true of beagles and labs and others but not true of coonhounds and certainly not foxhounds. How many people seek to buy a foxhound puppy to be ONLY a pet for the family?



The biggest reason , in my opinion , is because the coonhounds and foxhounds are bred to go hunting without you.
Beagles and bird dogs are bred to hunt along with you.
Some folks try and keep coonhounds as pets , but they can't just turn them loose in the yard like you can a lab. They'd take off hunting !
I'd bet that even all those on this post that keep their dogs in the house can't leave their dogs unattended in the yard like you can a lab.
I don't see near as many beagles being kept as pets as I do labs. And the ones I do , are always on a leash. I don't think I've ever seen someone walking their beagle without a leash. But , I do labs all the time.

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Now that makes sense.

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Regarding the topic on coonhounds staying in the yard. I might agree with you to a point. Our hounds do stay on our property for the most part. But, we do let them run loose during the day and at night, the ones that we have in the house always return to the house. Hard to believe? Well, the reason is that we feed them at night. My old dog used to make his five mile run, morning and night. He checked in with me at 10:00 a.m. and again at 5:00 p.m. regular as clockwork. Now, that five miles was square miles.

I have had hounds who didn't leave the yard and they only went hunting when my husband took them. Those were the hounds that hunted close and were good hounds. Labs on the other hand were meant to be close hunting dogs. You would not want a lab who hunted too far from you as you hunt birds with them and you use a shotgun.

I guess I better shutup, I got told about being off topic. lol
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lets just face it some are just to UGLY now if you got
the money and want 1 you can buy it.

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Regarding the topic on coonhounds staying in the yard. I might agree with you to a point. Our hounds do stay on our property for the most part. But, we do let them run loose during the day and at night, the ones that we have in the house always return to the house. Hard to believe? Well, the reason is that we feed them at night. My old dog used to make his five mile run, morning and night. He checked in with me at 10:00 a.m. and again at 5:00 p.m. regular as clockwork. Now, that five miles was square miles.



Making a "five mile run" is not "staying in the yard".
It may be staying on your property , but it's not staying in the yard.

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I think the ones who say it is divided between close and far hunters have it figured. I like keeping a hound for a family dog but we do have to watch close if she gets loose from the house and yard. We live right up by a busy county road so having a dog get hit is a predictable result if they get out to the road. My neighbor's lab seldom leaves his yard and they do not use a buried wire fence.

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Originally posted by jackbob42
The biggest reason , in my opinion , is because the coonhounds and foxhounds are bred to go hunting without you.
Beagles and bird dogs are bred to hunt along with you.
Some folks try and keep coonhounds as pets , but they can't just turn them loose in the yard like you can a lab. They'd take off hunting !
I'd bet that even all those on this post that keep their dogs in the house can't leave their dogs unattended in the yard like you can a lab.
I don't see near as many beagles being kept as pets as I do labs. And the ones I do , are always on a leash. I don't think I've ever seen someone walking their beagle without a leash. But , I do labs all the time.



Ding Ding Ding!!! We have a winner!!

Hard to let a dog run into the unknown that your seriously attached to and is a part of your family. Also I think drive plays a big part of it,hard hunting dogs require a lot of drive, A lot of drive in a pet results in the energy being turned into bad habits, such as barking, finding food, digging in the trash, food aggression etc etc.

I think a good house dog, should have a lower level of drive, this makes them easier to train.

Also a dog in the house can and will use there energy for other things, a dog left in the kennel until hunting time will have more pent up energy, allowing you as trainer to channel that energy towards finding the preferred game.

Finally a hunting dogs life is tough, and no joke. Often resulting different injuries, its tough to see a family pet exposed to all the different unknowns on a nightly basis.

All that being said I do have one of my hounds in the house and is a dual purpose hound. I have many mixed feelings on the subject so far, and even though she is an awesome pet, and companion. I'm not sure that I will let another one in the house.

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I sold 2 out of my litter last year that were going to be pets first. I made both buyers aware of what they were getting and made sure they understood. One guy wanted his boys to have one and if they chose to hunt it then they could. The second was going to be used to blood trail and a family pet. I've kept track of both of these pups and there doing great. The other pups out of the same litter that did go to hunting homes all seem to be doing good in the woods.

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4 years ago when I wanted a Redbone, I had a couple owners of pups tell me that they would only sell to a comp hunter, I understand that guys are trying to make a name for their dog, no complaints, I was able to find a dog that i like.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by RED REBELS
[B]the King Charles Cavilier Spaniel was bred to sit on people's laps and attract fleas to them (the dog) and off the humans

Cute, but the King Chalres Cavalier Spaniel came from the UK, named after King Charles the I and II, they are a small spaniel that was capable of hunting but was also suited as a lap dog.

Having grown up with a lab they are content to stay close to the family and protect children with out running off. Coonhounds not so even if they have not been hunted. My old girl would take off at 14 and go down the road looking for the scent and she was never hunted. Many coonhunters will cull pups that don't hunt , may be gun shy or maybe even if the dam has more pups than they want rather than sell a pup to a pet home. I believe it is the thinking of many (not all) coonhunters that if you are not going to hunt the dog you have no business in owning one; which is not the philosophy of breeders of other hunting dogs. My opionion is this is the main reason we see labs and beagles (besides the size of the beagle makes them great for apartment and city living) as pets instead of coonhounds. Given the chance coonhounds make great pets and love to lay on the couch and sleep on the bed like any other dog. Coonhounds are not known for being the protector of children like labs are.

I agree with you also Fisher 13.

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Emily
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Here's my thoughts. So you know, I have two redbones that live in the house. They're our pets, but I hunt them. I am also part of a group call Coonhound and Foxhound Companions www.coonhoundcompanions.com that tries to educate pet hound owners, and potential pet hound owners, about what they are bred to do and how that affects their behavior as pets, with the aim of trying to settle unwanted hounds into pet homes and keep everyone happy with the arrangement.

Coonhounds make great pets for the right people. The primary deal breakers for pet owners are noise and containment.
1 Noise
The first issue has to do with hounds in suburban neighborhoods, where most pet homes are. There's always some neighbor who doesn't like listening to a treed hound, and there's always some wandering house cat that sets them off. That's fine if you live someplace really noisy and no one cares (mine lived in a second story apartment in Brooklyn NY for awhile and did just fine), but you have to work hard to train a hound to not make a racket in the back yard. Not every pet owner is up to that.

2 Containment
Very few pet owners are willing to tie a dog all day. So, they need very good fences in their yard. Most coonhounds will break out to go hunting and are very good at escaping, especially if they have no other job to keep their nose busy. Accordingly, any pet coonhound owner needs to invest in a sturdy fence around the yard. That is expensive and not necessary for most other hunting breeds, like bird dogs. I spend a lot of time sending emails to people about how to fortify their fence to keep their pet hound in. I also advise ones that don't want to hunt to play "scent games" with their hound so they aren't so inclined to hunt without a human partner.

As for selling pups to pet homes, I don't have a problem with it, but I think most breeders want to give every hound puppy a chance to prove itself as a hunter. I know a number of reputable breeders who won't sell a pup to a pet home but will place a year old hound in a pet home if it hasn't shown an interest in hunting yet. That may be too soon--some very good hunters are late starters. But, there's lots of adult hounds that are better off as pets than being culled.

I got my first hound from a "rescue"with the intention of keeping him as a pet, but he needed to hunt, so I took up coon hunting, but I am the exception. I got him as an adult and he had so much drive that I couldn't hang onto his leash when I took him to the woods. That made me curious and charmed me. My previous dog, a Rhodesian Ridgeback was easy to keep on lead in the woods. All it took was once as a spectator on a UKC hunt and I was hooked. I chase bears with the ones I have now, and like stumbling around in the woods at night chasing dogs chasing coons. Not every pet owner has the time or finds it fun.

In my experience, an adult coonhound makes a better pet than a beagle. Their voices are more melodious and they are calmer when they aren't hunting. And who can resist those ears? I had a pet bloodhound when I was a kid, and he was way more work than my coonhounds have been. Certainly, if greyhounds can be turned into excellent pets, so can coonhounds, but I don't like the idea of breeding them to be pets.

I don't breed hounds--two are plenty for me and there are more than enough decent breeders out there. I don't like the idea of coonhounds being bred as show dogs, either. I do think that hounds going to pet homes should be spayed or neutered, and the breeder should be willing to offer plenty of advice to the frequently overwhelmed pet owner.

Shelter hounds that would otherwise be euthanized deserve a chance as pets, and I think that ultimately, it is good for our sport. [See the Coonhound Rescue Network facebook page if you don't believe there are a lot of purebred coonhounds and coonhound mix mutts in kill shelters.] But few pet homes expect to invest in tracking collars and other equipment that we consider routine. And many pet owners want to be able to see their dog when they let it off lead in the woods, so they need to be told what is going on when their dog disappears, and what to listen for.

I hate the waste of life involved in culling hounds, and it doesn't help our sport's ability to survive in a world where more and more people live in suburban developments rather than in the country. Better to let those who don't know about our traditions learn about them by loving a hound than to let our sport become a caualty of changing values. And, when I lived in Brooklyn, I can't tell you how many people stopped me when I walked my pair on a coupler to tell me that they had an uncle or a pappy that ran hounds back home, and how they loved listening to the music. My hounds are great ambassadors. for our sport

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Labs are smarter, more personable, and easier to train then Hounds. Beagles are smaller and cuter. So they are popular pets. Many breeders only breed to make money and will sell the pups to whomever has the biggest demand for them.

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