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Oh well you lost on one,and made up on the other !!

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Originally posted by blueticking: it
what would be accordingly?
we know he didnt run a dead coon in there

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Registered: May 2009
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Originally posted by Blackwater Pete
according to some of you guys this was probably scored wrong. This happened a long time ago as did the other ? I was the judge I seen the coon first it was laying on the bottom of the tree told the handler of the dog and he said good so we plussed it then a guy that withdrew out of the cast says hang on and runs a stick down the hole and says it is dead. I told him that by the rules that is molesting a den and we would have never known that if he would have not stuck the stick down there. Don't know if it was right but that is how we scored it just wondering if it was right or not. I am sure it is not a common thing but it could happen again.

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I know I covered scoring of dead coons in an ancient Advisor back when I used to write it but I can't find it right now. I can tell you that is has always been UKC's policy that when a scoring situation ends with a coon that has been found or treed already dead, or a coon in a live trap or a live coon that somebody has in a pen behind the house, that those points are deleted. The logic is simple. You can't take coons in live traps and set them around the property you will be hunting that night to score on them. Nor could you simply hang fresh killed coon in trees in an attempt to score them. Since it's not really a circle point situation...because a "coon" is seen, and because circle points count in tie breakers, we have always advised that those points are deleted. In both of the examples above, it is my opinion that those points are deleted. Truth is, it needs to be in the delete rule and we'll see that it gets done in the next printing. (someone remind me!) For the short term, we can have Allen cover this in an upcoming Advisor.

This one situation is only complicated because someone stuck a stick in a den tree to determine if the coon was dead. Molesting den trees is against UKC policy and by the broadest definition, I suppose sticking a stick in a den tree could be determined to be molesting it. The molesting den tree policy was written more along the intent of preventing people from knocking them over or destroying them. But let's say in the example above it was felt that poking the coon with a stick was grounds for molesting a den tree. The only recourse would be to scratch the individual that did it. In this case he's already withdrawn. But I believe because it is now known that the coon is dead it must be deleted. I personally would find it a huge injustice to knowingly plus a dead coon.

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