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Yea, that is what I figured.........Just alot of ASSumptions of results of feed WITHOUT using it and seeing first hand the results of the feed in action.

Funny, I have personally known folks to feed their dogs those called 5 star dog food, 30 lb $50 bag only to have the dog crap pure liquid, lose weight, and look like crap......and know I am not talking cold switch of feed and just on it for a week.

UNLESS you have actually fed it and seen the results of the feed, I don't reckon your opinion is valid.

It's like these dog food analysis site that base these dog food reviews and rating system on the ingredients of the food.

Yet their disclaimers says it all:

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I have just started feeding diamond natuarals chicken and rice, when i first put them on it i didnt like it so much, now it has been a little while on it and it has been getting better. i dont know what is the best feed and i have been trying different feed for awhile now , i have 1 dog that is super hard to put weight on.the other 10 are fine

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One other word on a dogs nutritional limit..........when this limit has been achieved, you will see minimal stool, once, maybe twice a day. The dog is absorbing and maximizing everything the feed has to offer. But, the dog can only process a certain volume of feed. Anything more and it fails to be processed adequately and ends up on your kennel floor. When a guy feeds a lesser quality feed, more of it is required to maintain. When the volume limit is hit with lesser quality feed, the dogs biochemistry will fail to maximize its absorption rate and it will pass through with minimal benefits. Thus requiring you to feed more to achieve half of what a richer feed may require. When you hear guys say that it may only take 2 cups of say Extreme Athlete to achieve what 4 cups of junk did, this is why. A savings is gleaned by feeding less volume, performance is elevated due to quality ingredients, and less water consumption is required due to a reduction in carbs. A win win all the way around.

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CSnowgren, read the quote again............my point is what is in that quote. Just like the last line states:

Finding the best food for your individual does, and always will, involve some amount of experimentation.

We can argue back and forth on our opinions -- I, that has actually fed it and you, that hasn't fed it but at the end of the day, our views will still be the same.

I feed them and hunt them and know what works and doesn't work for them.

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I am not stating an opinon Buckshot. Just what I have seen as facts in over 20 years of performance dogs and being completely ridiculously interested in diet, nutrition, and performance. It is one thing to fall back on the cop-out of "what works for one may not the other" but its another thing to blindly promote garbage because of that cop-out.

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One other word on a dogs nutritional limit..........when this limit has been achieved, you will see minimal stool, once, maybe twice a day. The dog is absorbing and maximizing everything the feed has to offer. But, the dog can only process a certain volume of feed. Anything more and it fails to be processed adequately and ends up on your kennel floor. When a guy feeds a lesser quality feed, more of it is required to maintain. When the volume limit is hit with lesser quality feed, the dogs biochemistry will fail to maximize its absorption rate and it will pass through with minimal benefits. Thus requiring you to feed more to achieve half of what a richer feed may require. When you hear guys say that it may only take 2 cups of say Extreme Athlete to achieve what 4 cups of junk did, this is why. A savings is gleaned by feeding less volume, performance is elevated due to quality ingredients, and less water consumption is required due to a reduction in carbs. A win win all the way around.

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Could be either, depends on the hunting conditions and the weather. Dogs will use an incredible amount of energy in cold climates to maintain warmth.

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Question for you CSnowgren since you haven't fed it first hand.

Opinion VS Results?

You have a growth that you go see a doctor about. He looks at and says that 80% of the time the growth is non-cancerous.

He opens a Medical Journal Magazine that just a couple months ago there was an article on it that also showed that 80% of those with that growth were found to be non-cancerous. Those that were cancerous had a 90% survival rate.

Now here is my question, do you leave the Doc's going by his OPINION?

Or do you have a biopsy done on the growth to see if the growth is cancerous or non-cancerous and go back to the Doc for the RESULTS?

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i agree with a lot you have said but if you come out
of the winter with hot spots are you feeding to much
protein or fat.

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Question for you CSnowgren since you haven't fed it first hand.

Opinion VS Results?

You have a growth that you go see a doctor about. He looks at and says that 80% of the time the growth is non-cancerous.

He opens a Medical Journal Magazine that just a couple months ago there was an article on it that also showed that 80% of those with that growth were found to be non-cancerous. Those that were cancerous had a 90% survival rate.

Now here is my question, do you leave the Doc's going by his OPINION?

Or do you have a biopsy done on the growth to see if the growth is cancerous or non-cancerous and go back to the Doc for the RESULTS?

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i agree with a lot you have said but if you come out
of the winter with hot spots are you feeding to much
protein or fat.

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I haven't had to deal with hotspots for years, literally. Back in the 80's we did. Usually they appear from poor protein. It is near impossible to feed too much quality protein to a dog, especially a performance dog. The wives tail about burning a dog out with too much protein derives from poor protein, not the amount. But honestly, hot spots have been absent from my dogs for years so I am probably not the best source on the topic. blueticking: it, I watch what some of the folks promote on here as the "best " feed. Invariably a few of them always seem to make posts concerning wierd ailments that thier dogs have, lumps, hot spots, up and died, die prematurely, etc. I always review what feed they promote and it is an interesting point to note that many promote one of the various garbage feeds. Yet they still fail to see the connection. But don't tell them that, they feed the best, hunt the hardest, and have absolutely perfect dogs. Too bad that the owners of these feed companies aren't around to help them dig the hole for their hound(s). Especially when folks are such adamant cheerleaders. You'd think there would be some kind of payoff for them Just unhealthy dogs with mysterious ailments chaulked up to other causes who never maximized thier performance.

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I bet the ingredients chart has a lot of hidden "ifs". Just like everything else.

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Not reaching, the difference is Opinion VS Results.

You have not tried the feed, there for have not seen the results first hand, thus it's only opinion.

Now legitimately feed the feed then share the results, then you have an opinion based on results.

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I haven't had to deal with hotspots for years, literally. Back in the 80's we did. Usually they appear from poor protein. It is near impossible to feed too much quality protein to a dog, especially a performance dog. The wives tail about burning a dog out with too much protein derives from poor protein, not the amount. But honestly, hot spots have been absent from my dogs for years so I am probably not the best source on the topic. blueticking: it, I watch what some of the folks promote on here as the "best " feed. Invariably a few of them always seem to make posts concerning wierd ailments that thier dogs have, lumps, hot spots, up and died, die prematurely, etc. I always review what feed they promote and it is an interesting point to note that many promote one of the various garbage feeds. Yet they still fail to see the connection. But don't tell them that, they feed the best, hunt the hardest, and have absolutely perfect dogs. Too bad that the owners of these feed companies aren't around to help them dig the hole for their hound(s). Especially when folks are such adamant cheerleaders. You'd think there would be some kind of payoff for them Just unhealthy dogs with mysterious ailments chaulked up to other causes who never maximized thier performance.

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Iwas told hot spots come from corn, and when i went to naturals they all went away. havent had any more at all

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Jamie i dont know what it was.when you buy dog food
the protein and fat content seems to go together.
i do know the dog was running hot even laying in the
box at walker days.i do know people feed corn to cows
to fat them dont they wonder where it goes.

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all i know is know that he is away from corn he is ok , so im going to stay away from it. and i notice the cows here at the house are not very ambitious lol

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just about (not all) dog feed if fed consistantly will hold a dog pretty good. biggest problem is that to many people are quick to change feed brands. i have been feeding frm select during hunting season 24/18 and frm ration 21/12 in off season. this dog feed has worked really well for me and the dogs seem to hold good on it. but with hard hunting it is hard to hold weight. my advise is to feed a good feed consistantly and that should work.

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Not reaching, the difference is Opinion VS Results.

You have not tried the feed, there for have not seen the results first hand, thus it's only opinion.

Now legitimately feed the feed then share the results, then you have an opinion based on results.

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so when i went to the ss brand i was getting better protein
even thow i cut both at 8.95 a bag

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I bet the ingredients chart has a lot of hidden "ifs". Just like everything else.

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Jamie i dont know what it was.when you buy dog food
the protein and fat content seems to go together.
i do know the dog was running hot even laying in the
box at walker days.i do know people feed corn to cows
to fat them dont they wonder where it goes.

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did you say you are feeding diamond naturals?

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Yes, Extreme Athlete. I also supplement with a couple other things here and there depending on what the dogs are doing and time of year. I wouldn't give a nickel for any of the other Diamond formulas.

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i am feeding diamond naturals, chicken and rice, i have been trying other feed to put weight on one of my dogs, what is the difference in the extreme athlete and what im feeding .maybe i should change?

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