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The Winter classic is listed in the book as a Purina bonus point event. Looked real close but did not see where the Grand American was listed as a Purina point event.
BUT neither event is listed on the U K C web page as a purina event.
O well gona go just the same got a goodon this go around. I HOPE.
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I don't think it will hurt the larger events at all or very little. if i remember right there were only 2 contenders at ARCA last year. Rebel and Domino.

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What about the owners who signed up for the Winter Classic as ADVERTISED, being a Purina event? What if they were hunting the event as the start to the Purina season? Are they gonna get their money back?

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Man I thought the previous schedule made it so that only the really rich could run the entire season. This new system is a freakin disaster! Now only the richest of the richest could afford to run this race! Talk about forgetting about the average hunter. What in the world are you guys thinkin?

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Man I thought the previous schedule made it so that only the really rich could run the entire season. This new system is a freakin disaster! Now only the richest of the richest could afford to run this race! Talk about forgetting about the average hunter. What in the world are you guys thinkin?

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I think the new system will create a level playing field for all coonhunters not just the guys that live up north or in the midwest where the majority of the big hunts are held. JMO

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Chris,

This change has a lot to do with focusing on the interest of the folks not living in the so-called mainstream of the major events as you suggested. This should open the door for a lot more of those folks in your areas to be able to compete closer to home. Some are suggesting this change will make for less Purina competitors. We think and hope just the opposite. Have you ever seen a Purina Pts. event in Nebraska? Missourians, for example, are now on the same playing field as the Kentuckians. Purina events all around them!

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I like it !

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Just got my PKC papers back on a young dog yesterday, THANK GOD!! Honestly I think this will be a disaster, hopefully not, but I think so!! I have a feeling the breed days will lose some attendance and I can not see one way this will level the playing field???

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Also in just the 1 day since this was released I know of 2 people plus myself that will not be making the trip to GA and WC.

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I may not be able to compete but at least the people west of the Miss. Riv, have a chance to attend and take a run at it. All they need is dog power and have no doubt there is just as much on this as there is the other side.
I do think the big 3 should have been kept;
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Why are people tryn to make a big deal over this. If you have a performance dog, you going to the bigger hunts. Purina dog food isnt even made in this country. 90% of the people who read this will not be a player in the purina race. So keep up the great typing.

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I totally agree with the State Championships being added back in . In most cases I didn't agree with them being cut in the first place as they were due to attendance issues related to the economy and a fading sport in some cases.
I don't agree with Breed Days and the GA,WC,AO and the World being cut. I've always enjoyed these and if you picked up some points it was a bonus.
If you are seriously trying to win the Purina Race(hunt or show) you have to attend as many as possible until you are in or out as your wins dictate. The money won in the end won't pay your expenses, especially on the show side. The painting is the real prize and the rest is just helpful if you did well enough doing what you enjoy to get back a little gas money and some dog food.

2010-- I attended the Grand American, Winter Classic, Autumn Oaks, Southern Redbone Championship, American Redbone Days, National Redbone Days , English Days, Plott Days, 2 RQE's and the UKC WORLD, all of which were Purina events spread around the country. English Days and Plott Days were the ONLY ones attended just to try for Purina Points. I considered it a GOOD year for us and won some dog food at some that helped feed the dogs and in the end we won the Redbone Breed for Purina Show Dog which earns us $250 dollars for the breed win and another $250 dollars for being in the Purina Pro Club plus another 6 bags of dog food. It should be quite obvious we didn't do it for the money but every little bit helps you to keep playing.
1 dog got 85 Pt's. and the other 40Pt's. in 2010..
Under the new system each would have won 10 pts. at RQE's and 20 more for the 2 days of the Michigan State Championship which WASN't Purina in 2010. To get more points it would have been many more miles. Also you only get points at 1 RQE/dog no matter how many in your area. (unless changed) Consider also that you don't win just because you show up at these events, nobody does.

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I think this is great. It might make some of the real big events smaller BUT I think over all it will raise numbers involved in the program and even more important in UKC. While the attendance at a hand full of big hunts go down some dozens of smaller hunt numbers come WAY UP.
I think it will make the attendance at the state hunts and RQE's a lot bigger. We finally don't have to be able to travel all over the east half of this country. Of course I live in the last state to the west that is involved. Maybe that will change now.

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I would like to say in response to John Delcamp that, in my opinion, because you live in Indiana, yes, it will cost more for you to be competitive in the Purina race. For anyone that lives in any other State it will cost less and will be very nearly the same for everyone. In my opinion.


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I don't think that is necessarily correct! Ex.- Early in the Purina year, guys that don't have alot of money but want to try to run to some extent, can send their dog down to .. say NC. & be within reasonable distance to all the Purina events for a couple months. Now the weather starts warming up & the hunts move northward & now they can send their dog to someone in Oh.,In.,ect... My concern is that the cost of travel is bad now, & I think it is great to support the states, but if you are going to have state hunts every weekend, that means a different state every week. That means more miles for all, not just In. The Purina race unfortunately like every other high profile event in other KC's are moving out of reach of the average working man. I don't blame that on any one thing, but through a culmination of circumstances, the ability to compete has eliminated 3/4 of the people due to finances. Everyone you talk to that runs the race will tell you that they spend $15,000.00 + if they are going to run the race right! How many average working men can afford that?
I realize that it is a long road to try to fix it & I appreciate that you are trying to create new opportunities, I just wish more could have the ability to participate! Thanks for listening!
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Glad I hadn't sent entry in yet for ga and wc. no sense taking off from work to hunt for the same thing that a local hunt has. i think this will hurt the race as far as numbers competing for the title.

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Glad I hadn't sent entry in yet for ga and wc. no sense taking off from work to hunt for the same thing that a local hunt has. i think this will hurt the race as far as numbers competing for the title.

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Be one thing if these hunts where at least at a club or location that can support it or at the very least gets support already. Stickin them in places that nobody goes to already might make 15 instead of 5 dog hunts. History has shown they ain't comin outa the woodwork,locals or purina road slappers to the boondocks. We'll hav'ta wait & see what happens I guess.

Here I have been informed it is Not our state hunt that has been in existance for decades that is The chosen one.

Couldn't even beleive what I was hearin but it is what it is.

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I hear ya Russ. The Florida State has only drawn minimum numbers for years and the chances of getting a good draw if you arent one of the "local" guides are slim and none. I don't really seeing people flocking to the Florida State hunt when the people who live here don't want to hunt it. Then again someone who never leaves the local club will now be able to claim they have "Purina points". WHAT A JOKE!

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I agree with Dale. I think I will have to wait and see how it will play out this year. In fact, I pretty much agree with everything he said.

I HATE it that the big ones aren't Purina point events anymore! I think that is a big mistake. Even if you kept those Purina point events, the 4 alone wouldn't win the overall Purina race and if any events are worthy of the Purina, it's certainly those!!!! Especially with the overall number of events available...even with bonus points potentially earned at the big 4 events.

It doesn't sit well with me that a dog capable of winning at Autumn Oaks or the World can earn "O" zero Purina points and yet a dog can show up at a state event with 2 or 3 dogs in the category and earn Purina points.

I like the fact the state events are Purina points now. I know first hand how important the state associations are.

But, please re-consider the big 4: GA, WC, AO, and the World. I mean....that just makes sense!

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It doesn't sit well with me that a dog capable of winning at Autumn Oaks or the World can earn "O" zero Purina points and yet a dog can show up at a state event with 2 or 3 dogs in the category and earn Purina points.

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One last thing and then I'll adjust to it as always.
I've run the Purina Show circuit and have never seen Purina points really make and event hugely bigger, I have seen State Championships be smaller because some won't enter against dogs they're sure they can't beat. Often they're wrong about that but right now there's not a lot of money to be spent when they feel that way.
The big events won't be noticeably smaller because of it and the State Hunts that aren't drawing dogs now will only see a small increase. It was always a small plus when traveling to the bigger events we enjoyed going to.
You will have to travel because somebody else always will.

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I think it is time to move more Purina Events west of the Mississippi, we are just down home folk that will be able to try the race. We are just common people. but have good dogs and good intentions.

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