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WVHillBilly
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if it had 2 dead coons floating in it 2 feet from my dogs nose, no way I minus.

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DEAD COON ARE THE SAME AS A GHOST COON! NEITHER GET PLUSSED NEITHER ARE EVEN THOUGHT TO BE THERE. CALL IT A BAD BREAK, THINK THE DOG DID IT'S JOB THAT'S FINE BUT IT SHOULD BE MINUSED. IT'S NOT MY OPPINION. THE RULES CLEARLY STATE ANYTIME A DOG IS STRUCK AND TREED AND IT IS OBVIOUS THERE IS NO COON THE POINTS ARE TO BE MINUSED! A DEAD COON IN SOMETHING IS MINUSED EVERYTIME!!!!!!! EVERYTIME!!!!!!! WV,,,

IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO MINUS IT THEN WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH IT?????????

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JR did you toss one of the coons out of the water and let them chew on it? If the answer is no then I wouldn't think you could plus it in a hunt.

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WVHillBilly
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quote:
Originally posted by HOBO
JR did you toss one of the coons out of the water and let them chew on it? If the answer is no then I wouldn't think you could plus it in a hunt.

That is a good point. But I wouldnt want him to have drank that water anyway(NASTY). I wouldnt plus it, but I sure wouldnt minus it.

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10-22-2010 07:31 PM

perry co cooner
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I'm confused here I think. Did the dog(s) open on track and run the track it to the small tree leaning on the water tower or whatever it was and then fall treed? If so then didn't they run their track to end and the coon were seen even though they had drowned?

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quote:
Originally posted by perry co cooner
I'm confused here I think. Did the dog(s) open on track and run the track it to the small tree leaning on the water tower or whatever it was and then fall treed? If so then didn't they run their track to end and the coon were seen even though they had drowned?

AL,,,

WEATHER THEY RAN THE TRACK OR NOT IS NOT IMPORTANT. ALL THAT MATTERS IS YOU HAVE DOGS THAT WERE TREED ON A WATER TROUGH. DEAD COON ARE TO BE CONSIDERED (NOT THERE)

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quote:
Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
AL,,,

WEATHER THEY RAN THE TRACK OR NOT IS NOT IMPORTANT. ALL THAT MATTERS IS YOU HAVE DOGS THAT WERE TREED ON A WATER TROUGH. DEAD COON ARE TO BE CONSIDERED (NOT THERE)

Says who?

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I WAS ON A CAST ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO AND ONE MANS DOG TREED A DEAD COON THAT WAS ROTTEN AND ONLY THING THAT WAS THERE WAS A FEW BONES AND A TAIL. THE MAN GOT PISSED BECAUSE THE JUDGE WOULD NOT + IT AND ASKED WHY NOT. THE JUDGE THEN TOLD HIM THAT IF THERE WERE A DEAD AND ROTTEN HOUND UNDER THE TREE HE WOULD + IT. I THOUGHT THAT WAS PRETTY DARN FUNNY. LOL

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beardenrents
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what about?

My dog treed one on a metal tripod deer stand. How would that be scored in a hunt?

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perry co cooner
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quote:
Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
AL,,,

WEATHER THEY RAN THE TRACK OR NOT IS NOT IMPORTANT. ALL THAT MATTERS IS YOU HAVE DOGS THAT WERE TREED ON A WATER TROUGH. DEAD COON ARE TO BE CONSIDERED (NOT THERE)

Ok is that actually a rule of UKC nite hunts or just your opinion? From what I read it said they were treed on a small tree leaning standing against the water trough which the coon climbed to get into the trough. And although they did drown and were dead the dogs finished the track and showed the coon. I wish UKC would jump in and give the official answer on this although I honestly doubt this happens more that once a year throughout the whole country.

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HOBO
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Re: what about?

quote:
Originally posted by beardenrents
My dog treed one on a metal tripod deer stand. How would that be scored in a hunt?

If it's alive and the hounds treed it you plus it just like any other tree.

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Huntinwalkers
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JUST MY OPIONION

TREAT IT LIKE THEY CAUGHT AND KILLED IT. I SAY KNOW WAY U CAN MINUS THE DOG.

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WVHillBilly
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quote:
Originally posted by perry co cooner
I'm confused here I think. Did the dog(s) open on track and run the track it to the small tree leaning on the water tower or whatever it was and then fall treed? If so then didn't they run their track to end and the coon were seen even though they had drowned?

I dont know if he ran a track or not. We just found him treed and that is what he had. I like to cut dogs a bunch of differents way and then go back and find them.One dog one way and another dog another way. Keep in mind this on a ten thousand acre farm with no houses on it. Coons are very scarce, a dog must go hunt big time.

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Delete. I'm trying to find it in Advisor 1 cause I know I've written it before. But anytime you have an unscorable coon whether it's a dead one in a tree (or water trough lol ) or a live one in a live trap you have to delete the points.

I'm surprised it's never been officially added to the delete rules because this is not a rare situation. In fact, if we can stop the presses on the new scorecard and rulebook, it might just become 5(i).

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goodtimekennel
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if them coon have scent how can you fault a dog for treeing, dog locates coon an trees , if it were a peice of wood in that tank that would be different, if it were off game it would be minus???? HOW CAN YOU NOT PLUS A COON , JMO WHERES UKC WHEN WE NEED THEM?

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quote:
Originally posted by todd kellam
Delete. I'm trying to find it in Advisor 1 cause I know I've written it before. But anytime you have an unscorable coon whether it's a dead one in a tree (or water trough lol ) or a live one in a live trap you have to delete the points.

I'm surprised it's never been officially added to the delete rules because this is not a rare situation. In fact, if we can stop the presses on the new scorecard and rulebook, it might just become 5(i).

So what YOUR saying is............... I WAS RIGHT ?

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WVHillBilly
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quote:
Originally posted by HOBO
So what YOUR saying is............... I WAS RIGHT ?

I AM NOT A CHEATER FOR NOT MINUSING????? LOL

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perry co cooner
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quote:
Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
DEAD COON ARE THE SAME AS A GHOST COON! NEITHER GET PLUSSED NEITHER ARE EVEN THOUGHT TO BE THERE. CALL IT A BAD BREAK, THINK THE DOG DID IT'S JOB THAT'S FINE BUT IT SHOULD BE MINUSED. IT'S NOT MY OPPINION. THE RULES CLEARLY STATE ANYTIME A DOG IS STRUCK AND TREED AND IT IS OBVIOUS THERE IS NO COON THE POINTS ARE TO BE MINUSED! A DEAD COON IN SOMETHING IS MINUSED EVERYTIME!!!!!!! EVERYTIME!!!!!!! WV,,,

IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO MINUS IT THEN WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH IT?????????

Are you sure Todd?

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quote:
Originally posted by todd kellam
Delete. I'm trying to find it in Advisor 1 cause I know I've written it before. But anytime you have an unscorable coon whether it's a dead one in a tree (or water trough lol ) or a live one in a live trap you have to delete the points.

I'm surprised it's never been officially added to the delete rules because this is not a rare situation. In fact, if we can stop the presses on the new scorecard and rulebook, it might just become 5(i).

There you go HOOSIER MAN 1 would you still minus them.

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THE HOUNDS

ran the track and finished it to where two coons were found dead,presumed to have drowned at where the track ended.I'm judging,hum,that is a tough call,hum,the coons had to be alive to lay the track,lets see,dogs didnt catch the coons,but they finished the track and showed treed to my saticfaction,and these dead coon still fresh just dead by drowning cause they couldnt get out,hey lets vote on it!Majority wins.

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Yes Todd you did write an advisor about it.

If I remember correctly your advisor covered trapped coon and dead coon as unscorable coons and they were to be deleted.

So everyone you have your official answer from UKC.

Not minus, plus nor circle. You delete.

I'm glad Todd got on here pretty quick cause it saved me lots of arguing LOL.

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All I can say

Is if the dogs struck the track and the coon drowned before the dogs got there... I'd withdraw my dog, and not tell anybody about it!

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Kenny Peeples
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dead coons

quote:
Originally posted by HOBO
I'd say draw a line through it.

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Todd M.
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Did I miss it or did this just go 3 pages before Rip gave the a correct answer "Delete" Strike points............think it is page 62 in the advisor.....

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