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And my solution to this is very simple. Split the guides up and draw out your casts. Then you can pick who is going to judge the casts.

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Come on guys, I thought I stated it pretty clearly what Im trying to say. It has nothing to do with writing down scores or having to start the watch. What I am trying to say is that judges are at an advantage for not having to draw out with other judges dogs. Say you regularly attend at a local club. You have the same 4 judges most nights. They all have good dogs, these guys never have to draw out with each other!!!! This is what I am getting at guys.

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I've judged in the last 7 casts I have been on and only won two, one with plus and the other with 0 and all other dogs minues.

Considering a couple were 3 dog casts that is just about right on for the average of 1 in 4.

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And my solution to this is very simple. Split the guides up and draw out your casts. Then you can pick who is going to judge the casts.

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Originally posted by brogy
First off, I think that idea is completely stupid, but that's my opinion. Second, that is the way several clubs and MOH already do it. Third, that is against UKC's procedure for drawing casts.

I understand what you're saying, but the reality is that it may appear that way at that particular club because maybe the same 4 guys always guide and judge, but if any of them venture away from the club to other events chances are they'll draw each other from time to time. Also, if that club holds other registry events, chances are with small turnouts on occasion they'll compete against each other.

I'd like to know what club this is going on at so I can attend they're events because a majority of the UKC events I attend, MOHs and HDs are still drawing guides and selecting judges after the cast is drawn. Pretty obvious when the judge is 3rd or 4th dog on card.

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So Marc, you think it's right that a MOH can hand select TWO members of every cast before the random draw even starts?

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Please.....

1. Assign your most qualified judges to a cast first.

2. Then draw a guide from the guide pool to any cast that needs a guide.

3. Then draw remaining entries to fill casts.

Very simple.

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Originally posted by todd kellam
Please.....

1. Assign your most qualified judges to a cast first.

2. Then draw a guide from the guide pool to any cast that needs a guide.

3. Then draw remaining entries to fill casts.

Very simple.

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!!!! Black & white not to mention extremely simple. Don't understand all the debate but it is quite amusing some of the replys......................

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The basic assumption that the judge will have superior dog power to the non-judges is laughable. Especially in UKC.
I hunted 3 nights last week at an event that drew 100 plus dogs all 3 nights and the judge didn't win any of those casts.

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The basic assumption that the judge will have superior dog power to the non-judges is laughable. Especially in UKC.
I hunted 3 nights last week at an event that drew 100 plus dogs all 3 nights and the judge didn't win any of those casts.

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Believe me, it wouldn't have mattered!

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IMO the biggest advantage is knowing the rules and NOT being the judge. Choosing when to open your mouth and when to keep it shut can be the biggest advantage of all.

When your starting out, it may appear the judge has an advantage...to be honest somtimes they do. Imo it is a huge distraction...The again, I have leaned the hard way being distracted is much better than an incompetent judge.

The guys that are always asked to judge are the guys that never have problems on their casts...Wonder why that is?

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And I am not singling out any club, it happens all over in every registry.

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I disagree, why, because a judge is a judge for a reason(not always) 9 times out of 10 its because they are proven to understand the rules and how they are app. what calls to and not to make and when and where to make them. And just cause a guy is a judge means nothing of the the caliber of dog he is packing Just cause someone is judge doesnt mean he or she has a nice dog and just because he or she has a nice dog does not mean they are gonna be judge. I havent won a cast in a long time and i cant remember the last time i didnt judge a cast.

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If I had won every cast I have judged and guided I could just use the trophies and plaques for wall covering instead of paint. Being the judge does not give you an unfair advantage unless you bend the rules to suit the situation. If you do it fairly and correctly then no one should have a complaint like this. I don't think I have ever brought a ? in on a card. May have asked if I scored something right after the hunt for my own knowledge.

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Hey bubba I realize what you are saying. It's not about advantage or disadvantage of judging. It's about the combat between the so called power dogs. Hey in the big hunt you can run but you can't hide. Why because eventually if your winning or you have a dog on a roll you have to face everyone. So just get your dog ready to go in the month of SEPTEMBER, alot of big hunts. Bye BUBBA.

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