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no offense doug but you assuming i prefer a dog to not be barking while hes jacking the tree is a top hound is like me assuming you think a top hound is one that as long as he doesnt jack the tree but trees with no coon in it is a top hound as far as a hound landing on you well i usually look both ways before i cross the street i reccomend you do the same lol! ill stop right there before this gets out of control

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My question is this... if he is jacking the tree, and has the coon, how are you gonna break him of it with him realizing it's the jumping that you don't like and not the fact that he is at that tree??

Seems like an easy way to ruin a dog that is doing his job by treeing a coon. I don't like it either, but I'm not about to whip one for it if he is treeing coons!

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I had rather shoot a bad tree jacker in the ear as I had feed it. I don't care if it can tree more coons than any other dog in the state if it jacks the tree bad it's plain garbage in my book! NO dog should have to try to dodge a jumping IDIOT just to tree. Why should everyone else at a hunt have to worry about drawing a POS that has no tree manners.

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I had rather shoot a bad tree jacker in the ear as I had feed it. I don't care if it can tree more coons than any other dog in the state if it jacks the tree bad it's plain garbage in my book! NO dog should have to try to dodge a jumping IDIOT just to tree. Why should everyone else at a hunt have to worry about drawing a POS that has no tree manners.

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I had rather shoot a bad tree jacker in the ear as I had feed it. I don't care if it can tree more coons than any other dog in the state if it jacks the tree bad it's plain garbage in my book! NO dog should have to try to dodge a jumping IDIOT just to tree. Why should everyone else at a hunt have to worry about drawing a POS that has no tree manners.

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I personally don't like a tree jacking dog never have and never will. I don't mind one that will sometimes jump a couple inches up and down while treeing, but them ones that freaking take a 10 foot run and try climbing half way up the dam tree and falling back on dogs and yourself that's a bunch of $hit right there. I know a guy down here that's got a dog that will do that and he's got some pups and they have just started treeing and that S.O.B will do that and land right on them pups and knock them off the tree, do you think that's good for them pups?? He!! No it ain't. Not to mention the dogs always chewing and face barking at other dogs. Just not my type of hound. But that's JMO.

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every person has the right to cull as they see fit but when a dog is consistently out performing other hounds putting game in trees you can guarantee most people are gonna breed to it especially if its their own . beardogs are disqualified for biting the bear at the competitions now because of the antis so do we shoot the bear dogs that bite ? its certainly your right !me personally i want all my dogs disqualified then.....dog jacking the tree is just trying to get his game not start a fight .so i 'll continue to breed to top hounds that bite a bear or just so happen to jump at the tree keep your plastic trophys i'll keep the game in the tree. over and out.

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Whats a dog being able to take a bump got to do with it? If your dog bumps mine thats fine it ain't going to hurt him but if your IDIOT jumps 8ft in the air and lands on his head a dozen times it is likely to. I saw a nice young female get her lower jaw broke by a tree jumping POS and all she was trying to do was tree. Why should anyone have to put up with worrying about there dog being injured because you hunt an IDIOT with no tree manners? If a dog hops a few inches thats fine but any dog that goes airborn when it's treeing is WORTHLESS!

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no offense doug but you assuming i prefer a dog to not be barking while hes jacking the tree is a top hound is like me assuming you think a top hound is one that as long as he doesnt jack the tree but trees with no coon in it is a top hound as far as a hound landing on you well i usually look both ways before i cross the street i reccomend you do the same lol! ill stop right there before this gets out of control

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personally i dont care what they are doin just as long as they are treein ! what some of you are calling a fault is kinda wrong in my opinion cuz most of the time a dog that jacks a tree or gnaws a lil are the ones that will stay and that is very important to me cant say i prefer them to jack a tree or chew but i aint shootin them for it either ! and besides if you draw a tree jacker it makes the cast a lil more interesting........... when the fight breaks out blame the one that sank the ivory to the tree jacker they can blow beat n bang off each other but sinkin teeth is a no-no !............. sittin down treein or backin up is more of a fault to me cuz when we arrive at the tree i dont want any doubt that my dog was not treeing or was milling or just got there i treed the dog i want to pull him off the TREE

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i didnt think it took much for brains to figure out what i was saying russell sorry about the punctuation................. and i said assuming doug didnt really mean i thought you liked slick tree dogs . you should have shot all your hounds doug by now if you shoot them for slick trees, because every hound at one time or another from the time there a pup has done it .people talk alot **** about how much they cull but its just that.they would cull it if it were someone elses dog not there own ...... jacking the tree just isnt a fault in my book and your not gonna change my mind or alot of other houndsmen period.... so save your breath!or keystrokes !blaming a dog for trying to get his game you guys are unbelieveable . right on mcavoy!

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This is how a dog should tree and yes he has the coon way over 90 % of the time , see how he lets the youg dog have the tree. this dog was 2 in this video the young dog has never seen a coon to this point .. AND THIS IS MY POINT TO HAVE A GOOD HOUND YOU CAN KEEP A DOG THAT JACKS A TREE OR ONE THAT DONT FEED COSTS THE SAME .........

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I had rather shoot a bad tree jacker in the ear as I had feed it. I don't care if it can tree more coons than any other dog in the state if it jacks the tree bad it's plain garbage in my book! NO dog should have to try to dodge a jumping IDIOT just to tree. Why should everyone else at a hunt have to worry about drawing a POS that has no tree manners.

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whats next wider dogs should be culled because not as many can get on the tree? lol

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i didnt think it took much for brains to figure out what i was saying russell sorry about the punctuation................. and i said assuming doug didnt really mean i thought you liked slick tree dogs . you should have shot all your hounds doug by now if you shoot them for slick trees, because every hound at one time or another from the time there a pup has done it .people talk alot **** about how much they cull but its just that.they would cull it if it were someone elses dog not there own ...... jacking the tree just isnt a fault in my book and your not gonna change my mind or alot of other houndsmen period.... so save your breath!or keystrokes !blaming a dog for trying to get his game you guys are unbelieveable . right on mcavoy!

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Man, take a minute an read what you type before you post it.

If jacking a tree isn't a fault in your book, then that's fine. But don't expect to change the majority of people's minds that do. Just because you are satisfied with hunting what most people would cull, doesn't mean the rest of us have to be.

"people talk alot **** about how much they cull but its just that.they would cull it if it were someone elses dog not there own......"

Wrong. A fault is a fault to me regardless who's name is on the papers. To live here the dog has to have some sense, hunt hard alone or in company, have a good mouth, not babble, be independent, take pressure, be a clean treedog, not be ill, and have the coon when he trees.

I always want a better dog. And i have found when you settle for culls you never get anything better. Hunt what you want, you're are the one buying it's feed. But if you ever decided to sell that "Top Dog" then don't be disappointed when the buyer makes up his mind and goes home before you ever shine the first tree.


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This is why we keep good dogs ! You have it nailed .. Most guys settel for what they feed or have not seen a coon dog , the video I posted of the dog treeing is a nice dog but not a coon dog that my friends is a big word . And no not all are comp. hunters thats why its best to go hunt with some plesure hunters and see what the have not many will keep a tree jacker !!! And bumping is not tree jacking there is a big differance in bumping and tree jacking !!!

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a dog only has to please the man that owns it.
there is so much animosity between coon hunters and who has the best dog. i see so many big wheels that will only hunt the best dogs. then get all out of whack when someone else dont think its the best too.
alot of dogs are made to be slick treeing idiots and alot are made into tree jackers. the trainer blames it on the breeder and the breeder blames it on the trainer. maybe people should look at the bred in faults by doing their home work on the dogs before they buy one and stop thinking a all grand ped means "well bred".
treeing should come natural to a dog when he finishes the TRACK to the tree. but people work and work a pup on the tree and then wonder why they grab the first tree when it smells a coon. or making it a tree jacker by pumping it up on the tree to be a hard tree dog. if the dog is well bred then you should not have to train it to tree. then maybe you can see the treeing style bred in insted of what they created by wanting it to tree so hard to impress someone else.
all these guys wanting to cull and improve the breed, if so, then start breeding for traits without these faults and stop counting titles of the flavor of the month stud who will sell more pups for you when you breed the female.anyone that thinks the female does not impact a litter of pups just as much as the stud has alot to learn about breeding the right two dogs for the best well bred litter. titles or not. just my opinion and it may be just as lame as some others on here.

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thats just it your speaking as if your everybody and your not russel. to you a hound is a cull for jacking the tree and a few others mostly hung up on trophys for competition hunts ive had one hound come back on trial and it was a beagle that was hard to get until he was done hunting. which i told them before they took him. i always give trial that way i know they are happy with the dog so dont preach to me about selling culls. i dont even own a dog that jacks at the present but have in the past sometimes they have treed for hours on a bear tree together til we could get there. not a problem .you cant have dogs shredding each other at the tree thats a fact .i dont ever remember a dog that wouldnt climb a leaner for a coon should they be shot too? i just think its ridiculous so do some of the other folks on here so dont try to tell us what a cull is either!!!

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all these guys wanting to cull and improve the breed, if so, then start breeding for traits without these faults and stop counting titles of the flavor of the month stud who will sell more pups for you when you breed the female.anyone that thinks the female does not impact a litter of pups just as much as the stud has alot to learn about breeding the right two dogs for the best well bred litter. titles or not. just my opinion and it may be just as lame as some others on here.

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thats what i am saying. too many think its all about impressing someone else. if i have the type of dogs i like then i could care less what someone else thinks of them.
tree jackers,ill dogs and slick treeing idiots can eat some body elses food. but if someone else can live with those faults in a dog then so be it.
people are fast to point out what faults theirs dogs dont have. but i see few posts that they state the faults theirs do have. and every one of them have a hole big enough to drive a truck through. aint a dog ever lived that did not have a fault some where to someone. its just which faults a guy can live with.

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same here almost to the letter,but even though they are that . i have to live with the faults they have even with these standards.

they all have a hole. no dog is without a fault some where. but if they are like what you described i can work around the fault some where else.

the old dog i have owned 11 yrs is a decent dog and all you listed and more, but some times he would get on a old track that he has to grub up and may waller it some.but i can live with that because he seldom ever did it. he would some times go back to a tree with a coon when recast from it alone. i had to turn him off the tree and stand there. i worked around it.
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i dont ever remember a dog that wouldnt climb a leaner for a coon should they be shot too? i just think its ridiculous so do some of the other folks on here so dont try to tell us what a cull is either!!!

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what would you guys that love those jackers think if another tree jacker fell on your dogs back and boke it a 60 pound dog from 12 ft can lay a whollup and that tree jacker could get impailed on the waydown ever think of that???? you guys love those jackers because they are bullies what would you guy do if you were at the counter at the bar and somebody kept slamming into you???? Bet i know the answer

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what would you guys that love those jackers think if another tree jacker fell on your dogs back and boke it a 60 pound dog from 12 ft can lay a whollup and that tree jacker could get impailed on the waydown ever think of that???? you guys love those jackers because they are bullies what would you guy do if you were at the counter at the bar and somebody kept slamming into you???? Bet i know the answer

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